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lunarrv15

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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2013 10:13:36 AM

how can a member or a non-member post on here as a visitor?
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 7:56:07 AM

So, is GasBuddyVerified entering prices or not?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 6:36:44 AM

Ore - your understanding of the Gasbuddyverified was as I had previously understood it...

But this comment from CC: "GasBuddyVerified is still very new. Some of the prices that were previously displayed as "Visitor" are now displayed as either "GB_Direct" or "GasBuddyVerified" (depending on the source of the price), but many are still using the "Visitor" monicker."

Left me wondering...since it referenced prices and not MSL.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 6:16:44 AM

I think your understanding is very accurate Oredigger94.
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Oredigger94
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 5:54:14 AM

Here is how I understand it regarding Reserved Users:

GasBuddyVerified - These are changes to the *MSL*, which I believe are related to the questions the app asks periodically, such as "Does this station offer a discount to members?" or "Does this station sell Mid-Grade?". Presumably, they ask this question of enough users to get an accurate answer, although my recent experience in Beta testing the new GasBuddy iOS app would indicate otherwise (cool new feature - the app only lists the grades that are actually sold at a station instead of listing all grades and creating confusion). Specifically, there were two stations - one sold diesel and the other did not. Apparently, enough people had answered the question incorrectly often enough for both stations that the MSL data was flip-flopped.

GB_Direct - This is for *prices* submitted by station owners and operators.

Visitor - This is for non-members or members that aren't logged in to post prices.

As Moderator CC pointed out, the mass Visitor postings of Speedway prices across Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee (that's almost 1500 locations, if you didn't know) is really just a glitch in the GasBuddy Direct system until the overhaul is complete. I say just Speedway because they're about the only stations I ever see posting as Visitor, although someone had commented that they had seen Flying J and Pilot stations posted in a similar manner.

These prices seem correct to me based on station observation and comparison to Speedway's own website, but there's something that just seems... tainted about having the stations reporting their own prices. Maybe it's because of the undue influence that Speedway has in exerting their Spike-based pricing model over an entire region.

So again I ask, is there any real reason to have an option for Visitor posting anymore, given the large network of registered posters that now exists? I mean, if you're going to post it, own it. If Speedway's reporting these prices, call 'em "Speedway_LLC" and don't hide it behind a "GB_Direct" or "Visitor" moniker.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2014 12:08:01 AM

I read the Reserved User page with great interest. This kind of feedback is useful to the membership. However, the GasBuddy Verified topic gave me a chuckle, I thought if the "rigorous verification proccess [sic]" was coded by the same person who typed up the topic, we are in trouble."
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 10:10:41 PM

Hmmm, I got to that reserved users *I thought* by following Rich's profile to his home site but couldn't find the same thing at Tampa site at the time.

So, okay - we have the link to the reserved users and the description of the GasBuddyVerified and GB_Direct, but we still don't have the answer of how these relate to the actual posted prices at the pump. Do the stations feed in their prices to their home office and then to GB by GB_DIRECT, or does the Gas_Buddy Direct member feed the prices to Gas Buddy and the stations update as they get around to it? How is the data sync'd between the stations, their home office and the GBDirect?

And, why would the "GasBuddyVerified" be showing updates all at the same time?

[Edited by: TxJeans at 2/26/2014 10:12:34 PM EST]
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TB
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 10:57:09 AM

Here is a link to the Reserved Users
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 10:41:12 AM

Check under "Community" where it shows "Reserved Users".

I'm logged in to IndianaGasPrices.com but not seeing this option under the Community tab?

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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 8:38:50 AM

In Pittsburgh, I see the Community tab but I don't see Reserved Users.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 7:23:34 AM

The same Community (no active tab) does not seem to show on the TAMPA site or some of the others I checked - Must be exclusive to the MW area right now.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 7:15:26 AM

Edit - had NS not on for Indiana:

Check under "Community" where it shows "Reserved Users".
Here is what it says:

"GasBuddyVerified hide
GasBuddy Verified is used to update the master station list with information gathered from user prompting on the GasBuddy mobile app and website.
This information goes through a rigorous verification proccess to determine its correctness before any changes are committed.

If you see changes committed by GasBuddyVerified that you believe are incorrect, we ask that you bring them to our attention - mentioning the station name and location. "

And for Visitor:

"Visitor hide
Visitor is a member name that is used for prices reported from GasBuddy users who do not have an account or are not logged in at the time of the price report.
These prices are usually only shown when there are no recent member (logged in) prices submitted and generally do not overwrite existing member prices.

People who post prices as visitors are encouraged to register usernames with GasBuddy (no fees or cost involved) and have their prices displayed, acknowledging their participation every time they participate in GasBuddy!" "

I am really confused now.
Previously, they spoke about Gasbuddy Verified, and I found a reference on the Indiana site, but when I hit show it didn't display.

But, if this is the info from user prompting, it should not be updating all stations at one time. Maybe this is being rolled out in the Midwest first and they got their "code" crossed...

Seems like they need to block the code until they figure it all out.

Rich makes a good point about the GB-DIRECT as well. That, and the fact that they get "biased placement" on the boards, I tend to avoid the GB-DIRECT unless I personally know the station and the pricing is not listed as GB-DIRECT when I actually look at the list to decide which station on my route I will stop at to get gas. If the station doesn't update their price in sync with the GB-DIRECT pricing, then it leads to worthless data for the person looking for gas, especially in an area like the Midwest where Speedway leads the pack in a very sawtooth price line with sudden big changes up and down.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 2/26/2014 7:21:27 AM EST]
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2014 6:51:09 AM

I75at7AM said: "I am not sure if posting over "fresh" spotter-posted prices lends more credibility to the website"

I am quite certain that this is not a good idea (for the reasons mentioned in my previous post) unless the prices are entered at the very same time stations are told to raise their prices. Even then it seems problematic.

To second the question, what exactly is GasBuddyVerified?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 3:10:05 PM

Thanks you for the clarification, moderator CC. It does make sense that the large number of postings (simultaneously) is an inside function within the GasBuddy sites.

I am not sure if posting over "fresh" spotter-posted prices lends more credibility to the websites. Perhaps you can determine if the automatic postings will only post over prices over a certain age, such as six or eight hours. In my area, almost every station gets updated at least twice a day. I think the local spotters are doing a good job.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 3:08:51 PM

What is a GasBuddyVerified program and how does that differ from GB_Direct?
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CC
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 2:57:27 PM

Sorry for any confusion.

Some of the posts appearing by "Visitor" are actually coming through our GB_Direct and GasBuddyVerified programs.

GasBuddyVerified is still very new. Some of the prices that were previously displayed as "Visitor" are now displayed as either "GB_Direct" or "GasBuddyVerified" (depending on the source of the price), but many are still using the "Visitor" monicker.

Our plan is that once these are all updated over to the new format, the "Visitor" handle will go back to being used strictly for people who are not logged into an account when reporting.

Thanks for your patience, and again, sorry for any confusion this has caused.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 1:44:47 PM

In some places, Speedway prices may change daily and often multiple times per day usually with a higher frequency following gas price spike episodes.

Prices may increase suddenly $.25-$.40 midday and by later that evening or the next morning already have dropped several cents as station all compete to have the lowest price. This is typical in parts of Indiana where I have personally observed and reported prices for the last several years. The prices are not always consistent from one Speedway to the next on a given day and time.

If someone is reporting a blanket price simultaneously for Speedways stations, at least in NW Indiana, they are most certainly making false reports.

RG
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Oredigger94
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 10:38:14 AM

@Scrapheap: From what I can tell, the prices are consistent with the prices available on Speedway's website. There's no guarantee these are the correct prices as inconsistencies have been observed in the past, but they are for the most part correct.

I posted another pic of Visitor postings on Saturday to GasBuddy's Facebook page along with this message:

"The "Visitor" is still at it today. Snapshot of some prices from the OH site, all posted at 3:12 PM. Any thoughts on how this is happening? Is it a problem with the GBDirect posting mechanism? Is there any real reason to have an option for Visitor posting anymore, given the large network of registered posters that now exists?"

Finally got a response this morning from GB:

"Tim, we're still addressing this, not to get into the details, but it's complicated."

I think it's fair enough to say that they're trying to work on it, but it must be a handful of a problem.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 9:23:03 AM

Are the prices incorrect?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 12:41:33 AM

Apparently they're not listening to you, or any of us. They did reply to Oredigger94 and sounded surprised that Visitor was doing such things.

But with Visitor posting many sites in many states simultaneously, there is obviously an inside track being used.
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 9:44:36 PM

I've long lobbied for not allowing visitors to post prices, or to make visitor prices only visible when you are logged out. The abuse of visitors posting bogus prices has long polluted the accuracy of the site.
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Oredigger94
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2014 3:50:35 PM

Like clockwork, about every 12 hours or so. In this case, 19 minutes ago. All Speedway, all the time. I'm seeing a pattern...

[Edited by: Oredigger94 at 2/23/2014 3:51:00 PM EST]
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 8:40:45 AM

That should have read - I think it is probably a glitch in the GasBuddy Direct system. I don't see how a visitor can have a favorite stations list.

I hate the stupid 5 minute edit window.

[Edited by: Scrapheap at 2/22/2014 8:40:58 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 8:33:12 AM

I think it it probably a glitch in the GasBuddy Direct system. I don't see how a visitor can have a favorite stations list.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 6:51:45 AM

Seems that someone has found and is exploiting another crack in the GasBuddy system.

What purpose would this serve other than embarrassment?
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JayL53
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 6:31:22 AM

The same thing is happening in Georgia with Pilot & Flying J stations. Prices were posted by "Visitor" at 1250 this morning on nearly all of these stations in the state....
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2014 4:00:29 AM

Searching all Speedways at this hour (4:00 AM), visitor postings were made 54 minutes ago in all of Ohio.
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 6:50:05 PM

Now they are showing up on the Pittsburgh site as well.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 3:28:32 PM

This time "Visitor" has seen fit to re-post most of the Speedway stations in the area at 2:56PM instead of in the middle of the night.

Search Speedway

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 2/21/2014 3:28:40 PM EST]
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Oredigger94
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 10:24:00 AM

I seem to have gotten their attention. I posted a picture of Visitor postings in OH to their Facebook page with the following message:

"Something has to be done about "Visitor" postings. This picture lists several posts of Speedway prices on the OH Gas Prices site - all done by "Visitor" at 2:48 AM on 2/21/14. These stations are all over the state which makes highly unlikely that a "Visitor" viewed and posted all of these prices at exactly the same time. These posts are also occurring anywhere there are Speedway stations - OH, IN, MI, even PA, KY and TN. And today, they were ALL at 2:48 AM. Clearly, this can't be accomplished without the use of some type of computer script or program and constitutes some type of price harvesting and posting outside the parameters of GasBuddy's standards of conduct."

I got the following response from them six minutes later:

"Tim, thanks for bringing this to our attention. We've investigating. We take this very seriously."

So, hopefully, we'll see some action on that.

Note: Pictures are available in my profile if you'd like to check them out, along with one from IN and MI, too.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 11:59:11 PM

Are the mods listening?

Well, right after I posted in here on Feb.19 at 8:02AM, I reported myself for abuse, as I know that is a sure way to get a look.

Of Feb.20, I sent a formal email about this.

I have not gotten the slightest reply yet.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 2/20/2014 11:59:19 PM EST]
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 10:06:11 PM

What a sad yet accurate observation.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 7:56:07 PM

It appears the mods aren't paying attention to this thread. Have you all used the "Contact Us" to let the PTB at GasBuddy know what you are observing?
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Oredigger94
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 7:43:00 PM

Favorites is a member feature. That's why I tend to lean towards some sort of script program feature. There are simply way too many Speedway stations at all of the sites where I've observed this phenomenon to key them all in at once without some kind of computer help.
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 6:14:55 PM

How can a visitor have a FSL? Seems like you would have to be logged on to have a FSL.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 3:49:28 PM

I just counted 52 more posting by "Visitor" of Speedway stations on just theDayton site. Oredigger74 had checked other sites and found the same behavior happening. For all these posts to go in at the same time, they must be made from a favorites list. If a person were to click and report each station, it would take an hour or more.

This "Visitor" seems to be a very regular member, how are they posting without being logged in, and why are they going to such great lengths to post harvested prices that have already been posted properly? And it's not like they are going to guide more business to Speedway, their prices are usually the highest!
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Oredigger94
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 2:06:30 PM

Just to corroborate I75's post, I have observed the same pattern.

A quick survey of the Ohio, Indy, Columbus and Columbus Gas Price sites this morning revealed that a "Visitor" posted Speedway gas prices all at the same time. This is clearly some type of price harvesting & posting. This is happening every day.

Given the scope of posting all of these prices, I even wonder if it's some type of script or bot doing the posting.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 8:31:36 AM

If what I75at7AM is stating it true, this must be stopped.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 8:02:22 AM

The posting of prices by "Visitor" has gotten out of control to the point of being ridiculous.

Every night, in the middle of the night, someone posts all of the Speedway stations in the Dayton area, all grades. There is no way that this is not one person, and there is no way that the person posting these prices saw all the stations in person. The stations posted range far and wide across the metro area, and all are posted at the same "time spotted".

The person doing this is obviously "harvesting" the prices from the Speedway website, a practice that is strictly against GasBuddy rules.

I think it is time to disallow "Visitor" price postings. I have no faith that these were actual spotted prices.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 2/19/2014 8:08:23 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 7:22:49 AM

Nope CK - Mincemeat is actually being posted by the wife of Mincemeat and was reported previously. To update his buddies she should use their whiteboards, to keep his posts she should be going to JUST FOR FUN
If she wants to play hubby, she really needs to spend some time and learn about the site. I hope she isn't posting false prices to keep things going.
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That said, I wish her husband well.
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http://www.capecoralgasprices.com/Forum_MSG.aspx?master=1&category=1055&topic=559061&page_no=1&FAV=N

another thread she is posting in

[Edited by: TxJeans at 12/20/2013 7:24:34 AM EST]
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 1:29:29 AM

Mincemeat: Your contribution to this topic was evidently interrupted by a technical glitch; only two characters of your post made it through. Please try again.

GB: re members with gasbuddy.com as a home site: if you click any link in the STL, you will land in the forum on the gasbuddy.com site. Go to the local discussion category, Visitor Center topic, and look at the site leaders list. Then go to the category index and search for topics started by them. If they started one, go to it and read their home site in the OP (searching for msgs should work, too, but I had no joy doing it that way). You aren't in Kansas any more when in that site and that may have something to do with how they got to be there. What's your opinion?
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mincemeat26
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 1:04:19 AM

hi
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2013 10:09:00 PM

Report Gas Price is found in the Gas Prices tab. It shows up whether you're logged in or not.
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lunarrv15
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2013 2:32:16 PM

Report gas does not display when I am signed off.
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Don
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2013 1:25:28 PM

Non-member/visiting users can report prices using the Report Gas Prices page.

Visiting users often are not allowed to update/overwrite existing members, so trying to use the "update" option in the list is technically a member feature.

-Don

[Edited by: Don at 12/19/2013 1:25:41 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 6:50:14 PM

You know what Scrapheap, you are correct. There was a time when visitors to the site could update prices by clicking on the station price. That was what initially convinced me to join years ago.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 6:05:40 PM

I'm with Scrapheap on this. If you try to post a price without logging in, you're prompted to log in. I believe that (years ago) you used to be able to post gas prices without logging in, but that option's been removed in order to have "accountability" of price posting.

On a related issue, I haven't figured out how some Gas Buddy members are identified as "Gas Buddy" rather than with a site location/identifier.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 4:41:09 PM

sticker_shock - Have you tried to report a price without logging in recently? It is a mystery to me how that is accomplished. If I try to submit a price without being logged on, the first thing the progam does is prompt me to log on.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 1:04:56 PM

It's not complicated or a mystery, this site is designed to allow non-members and members that don't log in to participate and update prices to existing stations. We aren't in a position to need to know who the visitors are.

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lunarrv15
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 9:35:56 AM

Yes. I am questioning how can a person post without having to logged in? I do not know if they are a member or not. Their post gas price as visitor.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 8:49:12 PM

All parts of a metro-area site (such as Cincinatti) or of a state site (such as Ohio) are the same. If I am understanding you correctly, you aren't a "visitor" simply because you are reporting stations in an area that you don't normally frequent. Once you have a GBO login, you can report stations anywhere in the U.S. or Canada if you log in to the appropriate site.

I am probably missing something in your request. Are you asking how to report a price not having logged in? That would be reporting by a visitor.
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