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JamesCalvin

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 12:54:01 AM

What do I do when I regularly see diesel prices posted for a station that has never sold diesel?

GB_Direct has even posted diesel prices for this station?
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2013 9:53:36 PM

"The above should be automatically attached to his forum postings on the subject, just to make sure that everybody knows he's not speaking for the organization."

I never claimed I was kwzh nor am I using images, content and member names from this site anywhere else. CampKohler is which could give the impression that his wiki is endorsed by Gas Buddy. Maybe it should read

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CampKohler's wiki are his own opinion and not endorsed by GasBuddy Organization.

Well, Byte_Doctor, there have been members who thought GM was the general manager of this site. Some people will believe anything.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2013 8:22:13 PM

The disclaimer was only added 10/6/2013
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2013 7:05:44 PM

TxJeans wrote "I guess you are calling some of the newbies that come here idiots?"

If in the face of all evidence to the contrary they think that CK's wiki is officially endorsed by GB, then yes. But that's not surprising as there are a number of people who if their reasoning skills were muscles couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. The problem is that those people wouldn't be helped by a disclaimer - or did you miss that there is already one in the wiki? You could put it in blinking lights and they would still not get it.

TxJeans wrote "There have been members that have thought that once added to the list, they were good to go and that it was under consideration by GBO."

Although I've not seen any posts like that, I don't doubt that they exist. However I suspect there are very few (in fact I'd be surprised if you could find more than one) that think that way, and honestly as I said above I don't think there isn't much if anything you can do to fix it. What exactly do you think would change that?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2013 7:41:46 AM

I guess you are calling some of the newbies that come here idiots?

There have been members that have thought that once added to the list, they were good to go and that it was under consideration by GBO.

And, actually, I agree that the Gas_Buddy screen name is also one that causes confusion. Most websites would have a filter that would have prevented any name that looked like "MODERATOR", "MOD" or any other official name.

Sorry Gas_Buddy - it would be tough having to change a screen name this long into the game, but it amazed me that it was even available to you when you chose your name.
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2013 7:30:35 AM

Likewise, posts by the member Gas_Buddy are occasionally thought to be made by an official of the GasBuddy organization. Perhaps those should also have a disclaimer.

Come on folks, this is absurd. CK's wiki is not on a GB domain, is not linked to on any GasBuddy web page outside of posts on this forum, the URL does not contain any GB trademarked or copyrighted words, does not have the look and feel of any official GB web presence, and for crying out loud states at the top of the page "The STL is maintained by volunteers and not the GasBuddy Organization."

Anyone who thinks it is in any way an official GB effort or that it is in anyway endorsed by GB is frankly an idiot.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2013 6:50:00 AM

To be fair, neither is CK's wiki endorsed and probably should also have a disclaimer that it is his personal list. There have been members that have thought that because their suggestion was put on the list it was accepted for consideration by the PTB at GB.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2013 4:27:55 AM

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scoutmaster's postings are his own opinion and not endorsed by GasBuddy Organization. His thoughts about what the wiki should or should not do, or what the GasBuddy authorities should or should not think about it, are made up and can be safely ignored.

The above should be automatically attached to his forum postings on the subject, just to make sure that everybody knows he's not speaking for the organization. Because otherwise people might be confused. At least, the same hypothetical people who are confused about the wiki.

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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 9:11:48 PM

CampKohler's wiki is not endorsed by TBTB at Gas Buddy and is only a mess of suggestions that have been posed in these forums. CampKohler is using member names in his wiki without the authorization of those members or TPTB at Gas Buddy. His wiki should not be considered correct or accurate in any way shape or form.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 6:49:58 PM

JC: You may have noticed this topic about GB_Direct (for which no official response has been heard). I find that someone has posted diesel where it is not sold, I send one brief whiteboard: "There is no diesel at (station), so I zeroed out the diesel price for you." If the member doesn't catch on and continues the same misreporting, then PM a moderator with the details—the more examples, the better. The station data can be copied from the MSL and pasted into your PM.

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The Suggestion Tracking List is not an index of forum topics, just suggestions that have been made, so you will probably be disappointed if you use it to search for specific information if there has been no related suggestion made. Even then, depending on the quality of the suggestion and its replies, it may not be comprehensive. What you are looking for is a maintained tutorial that would explain everything GasBuddy. (Only a few subjects are here. Contributions are appreciated.)
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2013 1:57:59 AM

There are four ways to enter prices using the Web site, and only one of them accepts zero to delete the existing entry. The unofficial FAQ list included an item on how to delete it, but when it was copied into what is now the official FAQ #6, only the parts about editing an entry were kept; all hints about deleting were edited out.

It's a bit of an open secret that it's *possible* to delete price entries. My understanding is that it's remained officially undocumented because of problems with site vandals, though that doesn't seem particularly risky to me since a vandal could do at least as much damage by entering a bogus nonzero price. (Also, the vandal would have to already be a senior member.)
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JamesCalvin
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 11:42:39 PM

Thanks to all!

And thanks to Byte_Doctor for the two suggestions:

1 - Where to look for CampKohler's topis index. I read through it searching for how to Zero out wrongly added diesel prices.

2 - Instructions on how to "Zero out" wrong prices. I was able to get the web site to accept the "0.00" for a station that shows wrongly added diesel prices. However, the "0.00" does not show up on the app prices.

Still trying!
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 7:03:09 PM

Gas_Buddy - " An alternative, and not necessarily a good one, is to take the time to go through the threads (I suggest "Suggest a Gas Buddy Improvement" and "Talk back to us", and then "General Gas Talk", read the topic name/original post and, if you care about the topic in any way, read through it to see what the various members have said. While you don't have to remember what any "generic topic name" is about, you'll get a sense of what's already here, and various views, enabling you to provide responses (either agreeing with, disagreeing with, or simply adding to the discussion) based on what others have said. And, obviously, you don't have to agree or disagree with any previous posts to constructively add to the conversation."

The problem with this, is the user that bumps a topic that has aged 2 months gets slapped.

Maybe the regulars need to keep our high priority topics "bumped" such that they don't age off the top of the list ;-)
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 5:44:24 PM

JamesCalvin:

To follow the others that have said you haven't done anything wrong, nor have you violated any rules. And, you haven't been ridiculed.

First, as said below, CampKohler is a fellow Gas Buddy member who has taken the time to compile a list of suggestions that have appeared in the "Suggest a Gas Buddy Improvment" discussion category (and it's previously named predecessor category), the purpose of which is to enable members, such as you and me, to identify topics already started and enable us to review previous responses. By using his list, which he generally updates as each new suggestion appears, you can add your comments/opinion/perspective/etc to what others have already said, adding to the discussion; by contributing to a topic already started, you lessen the tendency to spread out good responses over multiple topics, diluting the topics. Or, if you think after reviewing his list, that your question or issue is unique, you can start a new topic. Said more simply it's "add to the current discussion or start one more topic on an issue that may have been brought up multiple times, and responded to (with detailed responses) multiple times.

One of the problems, even if there was a Gas Buddy "topic name" search feature, is that so many of the topics aren't sufficiently titled. Topics such as "Question" or "Fuel Prices" "My 2 cents" (the name of the topic that's at the "last" of the Suggest a Gas Buddy Improvement" list), and the topics "Prices", "Points', "Diesel", Diesel Prices", etc., don't provide much value to those searching to see what topics are worth reading, let alone contributing to. What would be needed is a search engine that searches the entire topic for key words, but even then if you're searching for words such as "E85" or "E-85" or "E 85" or "gas prices" or "posting" or "mobile app", you're be inundated with results. An alternative, and not necessarily a good one, is to take the time to go through the threads (I suggest "Suggest a Gas Buddy Improvement" and "Talk back to us", and then "General Gas Talk", read the topic name/original post and, if you care about the topic in any way, read through it to see what the various members have said. While you don't have to remember what any "generic topic name" is about, you'll get a sense of what's already here, and various views, enabling you to provide responses (either agreeing with, disagreeing with, or simply adding to the discussion) based on what others have said. And, obviously, you don't have to agree or disagree with any previous posts to constructively add to the conversation.

CampKohler's list isn't perfect, but to his credit he took the time to start "his personal list" that he shares with everyone. It's not a Gas Buddy endorsed list but the moderators are familiar with it. Said generically (not you personally), if anyone can come up with a good off-site list (as CampKohler has done), in the lack of Gas Buddy itself developing a comprehensive search engine for the site, it would likely be appreciated by a significant number of members.

All that was meant earlier wasn't ridicule but rather was said as in "This has been an on-going discussion issue...while the issue needs to be addressed by Gas Buddy management (and members doing their share by voiding erroneous prices, etc.), one more topic on the same issue already being discussed is diluting the input rather than consolidating the input.

As for "I tried to message the poster, but he/she does not receive postings or messages!", many of us in the past have tried to "nudge" the offending members, many of which simply misidentified stations or simply mis-posted or choose the wrong station from their favorites' list when they dropped in the price, and they took the "hint". Others, much more so because of app posting (and members not knowing they have a a message waiting, or may not even know about the white board in the first place), simply don't see your "nudge". Add to that, the moderators have discouraged contacting other members to say "You mis-posted" in order to prevent possible back-and-forth bickering.

Bottom line: You didn't do wrong.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 1:27:40 PM

Byte_Doctor - thank you for again reposting the instructions. With the amount of discussion it should probably be put to a sticky (though not sure anyone here reads stickies) - and maybe we need to pick the best thread on the topic and repost periodically the instructions to keep it active at the top of the board.

Maybe TPTB need to put a "surge" effort in at least resolving the GB_DIRECT issue. I am sure that it must be a bug, because posting diesel where there is no diesel would do more harm than good to the particular vendor.

Maybe there needs to be a push back through the other side. Maybe complaining to the station owner that their GB_DIRECT program is posting false information and that they need to check from their end up stream as to why the prices for their station are incorrect. I wonder if some of these stations that have DIESEL being posted when they don't have diesel are having ALL values posted incorrectly.

Personally, if I see two prices that are competitive and one station is a GB_DIRECT and the other is not, I go to the NON-GB_DIRECT STATION. Reason is? Well, I don't object to the price feed which could be beneficial, I DO object to the way that they get bumped to the top of their "class" of prices. Why should HESS that has a GB_DIRECT price hours old be posted ahead of a fresh 15 minute post for another station with the same price?

James-I don't think you violated any rules other than, as Byte said, maybe not looking back far enough in the forum --- This site needs a better look up / search feature (amongst other things), so in one sense, CK's unofficial wiki serves a purpose. Anything, and I mean anything that is thrown at the wall is put in the wiki, so you can find almost any suggestion made. That said, there is no filter on it, so even the absurd may land on the list, and we have no idea of the PTB have or will look at the list. And, if they did, they would have to sift through to try and determine what the membership really wants vs what was thrown out by a 1/120 poster.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 11/2/2013 1:28:39 PM EST]
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Byte_Doctor
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 12:50:24 PM

I'm not aware of any rules you've violated, except maybe being guilty of not looking far enough into the history of threads in this forum to see the others. Since there isn't a useful search function, I don't get too worked up about it and am inclined to ignore those who do.

JamesCalvin, CampKohler is another member who has set up a Wiki containing suggestions for improving GasBuddy, located at [L=http://gb-tracking.wikispaces.com/][/L]. If inclined, you can peruse this list (which is arguably easier to search than the entirety of GB forum posts).

You are correct, you cannot zero prices from the mobile app, you must use the full website, and it must be done in a particular way. Here are the instructions posted by another member that have worked for many others:

You can only "zero" out a price from the full website, "Search Gas Prices" section.
This cannot be done from a mobile app, mobile website, or even the gas price map on the full website.

The price you want to delete must be displayed in the "Search Gas Prices" results list. If necessary, select only the area and station name you want to remove. You must be sure the Diesel tab is selected if you want to delete the Diesel price. The price you want to delete must be displayed in the gas price search list.

Click the update link below the price you want to delete, to get to the "Report a Price Here" window for that station.
Enter zero ( 0 ) for the price, and a comment, such as NO DIESEL FUEL SOLD HERE ! to explain why you are removing the price.

Click the submit button, and you should then see that station listed with a price of 0.00.

Click the "Show prices from the above areas" below that station, and you should then see the other stations from that area, with the station for which you deleted the price missing from that list, confirming the deletion.

Finally, messaging the posters usually doesn't help, but messaging the mods usually does. Let them know the member name, date, time, and station and hopefully they will deal with the member. They always have when I've done so.

[Edited by: Byte_Doctor at 11/2/2013 12:52:05 PM EST]
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JamesCalvin
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2013 9:14:12 AM

I'm sorry for violating rules I did not know about!

I have no way of knowing how to find "CampKohler's compilation of topics and suggestions" Who is "CampKohler"?

Gas_Buddy said "The basic answer is to zero out the false price..." The app does not allow "zeroing out"

I tried to message the poster, but he/she does not receive postings or messages!

So please help me kindly without ridicule!
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2013 9:52:47 AM

kwzh - True - actually this little problem is a problem for diesel users, but actually can be looked at differently by those of us that don't use diesel as a sanity check of posted prices...
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2013 2:09:09 AM

> could be instantly resolved

Well, not quite. We'd still have people posting bogus prices, but we'd no longer have a way to identify them so easily.
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 12:17:05 AM

I reported fraudulent posts to the Mods 38 times in September and 22 times so far in October. All were diesel prices posted for stations that do not sell diesel. It is an endemic problem that could be instantly resolved if they would follow thru on their promise to tie price posting to the grades listed in the MSL.

Sometimes the offending members are contacted by the Mods and they stop but there is always a supply of new members to take their place. The majority of these improper posts are by new members.

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brazilianguy
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 7:47:00 PM

I don't think so.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 1:36:32 PM

It's not a bug. GB_Direct posts prices from an office.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 12:25:39 PM

>> report the posting to the moderators
>Who do little about it, especially in the case of GB_Direct posts

What do you think they should do about it -- ban GB_Direct as if it represented a a malicious individual?

It's a bug. The appropriate people know about it and are working on tracking it down. Until it's fixed, the best action we can take on our end is to continue to report instances of it, as already noted. (And clear the bogus price, of course.)
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 7:56:28 AM

>> This topic has been brought up multiple times in multiple topics in multiple discussion categories.

Yep!

>> report the posting to the moderators

Who do little about it, especially in the case of GB_Direct posts. Their position is that it's our job to police the site and remove/correct incorrect prices.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 6:17:00 AM

Do we really need another topic about wrongly posted prices? I don't think so.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 2:50:42 AM

This topic has been brought up multiple times in multiple topics in multiple discussion categories.

You can find the topics and review the issue using CampKohler's compilation of topics and suggestions

The basic answer is to zero out the false price, note the reason for zeroing out in the comments section (for the moderartor's knowledge) and report the posting to the moderators.

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