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cnygas

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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 3:26:47 PM

Is there a way to review a price price history at a particular station? A review of all the prices entered.

I thought I saw this somewhere but this could have been a national average.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2013 5:13:26 AM

Why is this a good idea pghbill?
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pghbill
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2013 1:41:53 AM

good idea
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2013 3:33:15 PM

scoutmaster:
Just FYI, that link has been listed on my profile page, as the Gas Saving Tips almost since I joined Gas Buddy; before that there was a link from a Midwest newspaper (the link has since been removed from the station's website) that opened the same website page as the link you provided.

It's amazing how few members - how few drivers - consider that they're paying for fuel they use to drive to the "cheaper gas station". While the per gallon cost of the fill-up may be less expensive, the cost of the fuel to drive out of your way the buy the "cheaper" gas may end up being more than what you'd save if you paid a higher price at a closer gas station.

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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 1:09:33 PM

Here is a good site to help determine if the price is worth the drive.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 10:09:54 PM

SammyDA:

"Just buy at the cheapest one ALWAYS."

Always? Even if you're driving out of your way to get to the "cheapest" gas station? Even if you're spending more money on gas to get there and back than if you bought it at a closer gas station that was a few cents per gallon higher priced?

Think of it this way:
If you're driving two miles out of your way to buy gas (instead of buying it at the gas station next to you) because you'll save five cents a gallon, your car gets 20 miles to the gallon, and you'll buy 10 gallons of gas. Say gas is costing $3 a gallon.

That means you're using one-fifth of a gallon of gas to drive to the "cheaper" gas station and then back. That means you're spending 60 cents worth of gas to buy the "cheaper" gas. If you're buying 10 gallons of gas, you'll save 50 cents on your total purchase. That means it cost you 10 cents more to drive out of your way and buy the "cheaper gas" than if you simply bought the higher priced gas next to you.

And, if gas costs more than $3 a gallbon, or if you get less than 20 miles to the gallon, or if you buy less than 10 gallons of gas, it will cost you even more to "buy at the cheapest one ALWAYS".

What you should have said was "Just buy at the least expensive gas station that's not out of your way for which you end up paying more in travel cost than you save at the pump. But that's just my opinion.

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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 4:51:40 PM

Just buy at the cheapest one ALWAYS.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 3:43:37 PM

Scrapheap:

"In my immediate neighborhood there is a station that drops its prices on gas by 6 cents per gallon on weekends. This is prominently advertized at the station....The fact that stations are cheaper on the weekends is something I use to determine when I will buy fuel."

I understand your point but that seems entirely different than making the daily (or perhaps multiples time a day) pricing history for each and every gas station over the past several or more years available on Gas Buddy. Add to that is that not every gas station is reported on a daily (or perhaps "regular" basis - and that excludes any false or non-existent price posting that members say is prevalent).

As noted earlier, Gas Buddy does make similar (and can make "on-demand" or specialized) information available, for a fee. They're in business for business; I accept that (and I accept that many people think that anything can and should be available on the internet at no cost; I'm simply not one of those people).

RichWLIN:
If someone wants historical station pricing information, this data is probably available elsewhere. Aren't there other services that provide gas prices from receipts for purchases actually made? Seems I've heard of such a service."

What you're asking about is how price information is compiled by "gas price sites" such as AOL Auto, Motor Trend, and the American Automobile Association and others. Gas Buddy provides information on both a free and "for pay" basis including input from "volunteer collectors", whereas OPIS (which started the first retail fuel pricing database in North America in 1999) maps retail prices back to wholesale markets, and later started a retail margin service by receiving daily gasoline and diesel prices for more than 130,000 retail outlets in the U.S. and Canada. OPIS prices are used by AAA, Microsoft (MSN Autos), Garmin, MapQuest and other website and mapping companies, in addition to its core oil company base.

To answer your question in short, yes, the information is available, simply it's available for a fee for the work involved and to cover operating costs. In OPIS's case, it employees some 50 information specialists and industry editors in order to cover the energy market and report industry news as well as provide inside analysis on what the trends mean and how those trends could affect prices and purchasing decisions. OPIS staff also includes customer service, sales, marketing, information technology and conference specialists, all of which costs money. And because of those costs, not everything can be given away at no cost, even if Gas Buddy members want the information "to review". And I, for one, think that's a realistic perspective.

As for "...I'd sure rather buy it from a source derived from actual sales data, rather than from drive by observations that are laden with various types of errors and "subject to wide interpretation"; aka "garbage in, garbage out"." I agree. I just don't have that much interest or need for such detailed information that I want to pay for it.


[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 10/8/2013 3:44:47 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2013 3:03:49 PM

Gas_Buddy wrote > I don't see how knowing the long term history of prices at individual gas stations, or even at several gas stations in a city would help shoppers buying fuel today...or tomorrow...or when they actually needed to buy fuel.

In my immediate neighborhood there is a station that drops its prices on gas by 6 cents per gallon on weekends. This is prominently advertized at the station. There are at least 5 stations over a 5 mile stretch of this road that lower their prices by some amount to stay competitive. The fact that stations are cheaper on the weekends is something I use to determine when I will buy fuel. Whether I need gas or not, I will fill up at one of these stations on the weekend in a rising or stable market.
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 8:03:27 PM

If someone wants historical station pricing information, this data is probably available elsewhere. Aren't there other services that provide gas prices from receipts for purchases actually made? Seems I've heard of such a service.

If I were inclined to pay for historical price data, I'd sure rather buy it from a source derived from actual sales data, rather than from drive by observations that are laden with various types of errors and "subject to wide interpretation"; aka "garbage in, garbage out".

I used to think that GasBuddy historical data could be useful, and have argued that such information would be helpful to planners who are purchasing for a number of vehicles or for fleets. However, knowing now what I didn't know then, I wouldn't put much stock in an offering of the data accumulated here even if it was free, unless and only if the price accuracy issues are ultimately significantly reduced or resolved.

RG



[Edited by: RichWLIN at 10/7/2013 8:04:21 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 4:09:48 PM

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It's not "The data is compromised by routine falsification...unless you live somewhere like Gas_Buddy where this apparently isn't the case."

It's that the data - even if it's available free - is still subject to wide interpretation. Gas stations can and do change prices for a multitude of reasons including new wholesale pricing, reaction to competition and local market conditions. And, as RichWLIN noted, gas stations can and do change the price increments between octane grades. (Something not discussed is that

Gas stations are in business to make money for their investors; they're not charities or benevolent organizations any more than auto dealerships and supermarkets are. Prices at gas stations - and auto dealerships and supermarkets - can change at will, and any price history for a particular station may not mean anything more than "here are what the prices are...you figure out why prices changed. Or didn't change."

And, even if there was no intentional false price posting, simply delayed price posting (a price seen considerably earlier that overwrote a more current price but the "time spotted" feature wasn't used), price history at a station could, and likely would, be skewed.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't see how knowing the long term history of prices at individual gas stations, or even at several gas stations in a city would help shoppers buying fuel today...or tomorrow...or when they actually needed to buy fuel.


[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 10/7/2013 4:13:07 PM EST]
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 12:27:39 PM

Why would anyone pay for historical information derived through input of volunteer price spotters who are playing games on their smartphones?

I can only imagine what a consumer of this data would find in this part of the country. Stations that routinely change their pricing structure back and forth from $.10 increments for fuel grades to some other arbitrary figure, and stations that offer diesel some mornings but not later that night.

The same holds true for freely distributing it here. The data is compromised by routine falsification...unless you live somewhere like Gas_Buddy where this apparently isn't the case.

RG

[Edited by: RichWLIN at 10/7/2013 12:31:58 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 8:29:00 AM

I still wonder how historical station data in any form will help with anything other that statistical data?????
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 7:51:18 PM

"Clearly, by implication, he wants to have per-station statistical data available on the site..."

No it's not clear by implication; the member already acknowledged that he doesn't want to pay for what's available. That seems, to me, "Clearly, by implication, the member understands that Gas Buddy provides some detailed information outside the "free" areas of Gas Buddy Organization LLC."

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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 6:08:05 PM

Yes.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 4:10:52 AM

CK - that is what I said - however the OP may not be aware that there is nothing special about his suggestion that got it on the list - as you say - anything and everything goes on the list w/out filter and that it is not an official list, but just an everything CK logs list.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 2:37:05 PM

The source of the list is given at the top.

PS: It all sticks. :-)
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 7:07:37 PM

This isn't the suggestion category! And you are correct TxJeans, CK's wiki is not sanctioned by this site and CK should be forced to remove all gasbuddy.com images from it.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 5:21:41 PM

Ck- possibly he thinks your list is something official for GBO...He may not be aware that your list is a list of anything thrown at the wall to see if it will stick...
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 4:07:04 PM

Clearly, by implication, he wants to have per-station statistical data available on the site, which is something many, many members have asked for over the years. These suggestions have been grouped under, "Statistics, Per-station, Add" and referenced from other places within the list.

Of course I do not wish to imply that he will get it.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 3:43:21 PM

CampKohler:

Not sure what the suggestion is. The member asked if something was there, was told it was available but for a fee, to which the member responded he didn't want to pay a fee for the information at this time.

What suggesting is he making? That there should be a history? (There already is.)
That the history should be free? (He didn't say that, or I missed reading that.)
Or is his suggestion something else?

Bottom line is, how do I find his suggestion on your list (for future reference) if we don't know what his suggestion is?
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 2:57:38 PM

This suggestion has been added to Suggestion Tracking List as a new topic on an existing subject.
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cnygas
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 8:35:22 AM

Thank you kwzh.

I like seeing data like that but it isn't worth me to pay for it at this time. Besides I would like so much data I would go broke. I find historical data interesting.

The data history I think I was looking at was my point history. That must have been what I thought was a station's history.

The other day I passed a station and took a mental note of the price. I did not enter it or write it down. I entered the price when I got to my destination as the station had not been updated over night and the price had changed. When I returned about an hour later the price I remembered and the price on the sign were different. I wondered if I entered the data wrong, if so I would correct it. I also wondered if the price changed again. When I got home another user had entered the current price about the time I was passing the station. A station's history might give me a clue if I made a mistake.

I looked at the sample data from gaspricedata not what I was looking for but thank you for the link.

[Edited by: cnygas at 9/30/2013 8:38:48 AM EST]
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 4:55:27 AM

You can't view the history of a *single* station for free, but you can see the price history (by day) for one or more *areas* (click on "Gas Price Charts"). This is good for identifying things like day-of-week patterns, and up/down trends -- which typically are not station-specific anyway.
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 12:00:12 AM

Historical data is available for purchase.
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cnygas
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 9:51:12 PM

I would like to see the history at a station out of curiosity. To see if there a certain day of the week or time of day the prices change, how often the prices change, and what the prices were a week, a month ago, six months or a year ago.

Maybe "all the prices" was a poor choice of words.
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 7:56:07 PM

No, there is no way to review the history of prices at individual gas stations, either day-by-day or by average over a period of time.

Just for the sake of clarification, why would you want to review "all the prices" entered (which is somewhat different than the "price history" of a gas station)?

As for "national average", you can review the price averages for your Gas Buddy "website area" (for example, for the Maryland area as a whole or for the Baltimore area) for the past month, three months, or longer (back to the past 11 or so years).
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2013 7:41:26 PM

No
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