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Retired-Coastie

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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 7:31:23 PM

Unless someone can enlighten me, this item seems to be a total waste of space that could be used for reporting E85 or other prices!?!
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 8:58:02 AM

Thanks y'all for the input and enlightenment. Hopefully others will find this topic helpful in the future. Another topic that has run it's course in short order.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2013 6:53:18 AM

No problem -- you didn't mention overwriting by another, and I was just clarifying. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 11:23:32 PM

I think that's what I've been saying.

Comments you put in your FSL stay in the FSL until you change or delete them. They get posted when you post that particular FSL entry.

Comments that are posted stay posted until the posting drops off or gets overwritten by another post.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 5:19:53 PM

rjhenn - comments stay on your FSL until you delete the, and update with your post, but they are over-written when someone updates the price after you w/out including comment.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 4:44:43 PM

That's true for comments "posted". But the comments you put in your FSL stay there and get posted again whenever you post through the FSL, unless and until you update the comment in the FSL.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 6:45:54 AM

All comments posted are "one-shots" As soon as someone else posts prices for the same station the comments are overwritten.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2013 2:30:54 AM

Retired-Coastie - "When I posted comments from my FSL, I entered the prices and the comments and hit submit, the comments didn't stick. My tedious term refers to the necessity of having to enter prices and comments, then saving, then summiting. A two step process that is handled in one click within the app."

That's because comments you put in through the FSL stay in the FSL until you remove them, and are posted every time you post through the FSL. Comments you post through either the normal price entry or the online app are one-shots.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 1:08:32 PM

Street not state.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2013 9:23:33 AM

Scoutmaster; I don't quite know how to respond to that one..... I guess I'll just leave it alone. Don't want the thread master coming after us.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 1:50:37 PM

Retired-Coastie,

I posted "I live on Arkansas" not "I live IN Arkansas". Huge difference.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 10:59:58 AM

RC - TX doesn't stand for Texas ;-)
Screen names are not always about what one may see from their side of the mountain while someone else looking at the same mountain is seeing something different from the other side of the mountain - even though it is the same mountain.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 10:14:23 AM

scoutmaster; "I live on Arkansas."

Then why have a Home Site: Pittsburgh? lol
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 9:56:52 AM

Retired-Coastie,

I live on Arkansas.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 9:30:02 AM

When I posted comments from my FSL, I entered the prices and the comments and hit submit, the comments didn't stick. My tedious term refers to the necessity of having to enter prices and comments, then saving, then summiting. A two step process that is handled in one click within the app.

And while I'm at this, I some replies can be heavy handed at times, and some names appear more then others. But, I do appreciate those comments that are helpful. Everyone has a different thought process and text and forum post don't always get the point across accurately.

TxJeans, in FL that's funny.
kwzh, have you seen Dionne Warwick?
scoutmaster, if I ever get back to Pittsburg we can take the incline rail.
scrapheap, I spent four years in Yorktown / Newport News.

[Edited by: Retired-Coastie at 9/10/2013 9:31:12 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 7:18:40 AM

Ah-I hadn't needed to add or edit/delete a comment from my FSL in a long time. I don't think it is particularly tedious unless you are changing comments daily on many stations. The Save/Cancel is right below the comment field.

Here is what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/FPh4abk.png
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2013 5:48:14 AM

I'd forgotten to consider that particular failure mode; I understand it now.

When using the map feature to enter a comment, you fill in the comment field before clicking the Submit button. However, when using the FSL, if you don't already have a saved comment, you have to not only type in the comment, but also explicitly click to save the comment, before submitting the prices. This is not obvious, and I recall having submitted a few instances of uncommented price entries before I got used to it.

I don't consider it particularly tedious. Although it is one extra step that you might not think necessary or intuitive, it's something that only needs to be done once per station, and then it stays in my FSL data for as long as I like.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 7:47:37 PM

Retired Coastie - one more thing before locking...

You mentioned that the comments are tedious. For stations that are on your FSL, you can enter the comment and it remains for future postings until you update it.

When you say "online" site, I am taking that to be the website? Please explain how you are entering them that is so tedious? Are you doing it from the map or the list or your FSL?

And - yes, to be really useful they need to be made "durable".

[Edited by: TxJeans at 9/9/2013 7:49:03 PM EST]
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 10:17:45 AM

No the comments are not durable. Once someone posts over your prices, unless they repost your comments, they are gone. And based on your last post, its sound like there was some user error involved.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 9:13:25 AM

Morning All;

Today I posted prices and comments for all three of my local stations online from home computer. Then opened the GB app on my iPhone, it showed the "updated a moment ago", I would have had posted wrong prices to see if they changed, but the comment field was blank.

I then went back onto my home computer and reposted my comment, this time I realized I had missed the save button. So clicked save. Posted prices again, and then opened my iPhone app. Viola, my comment was there.

So the comments section (according to the fine input from the gallery and my own discovery) ranges from useless to ineffectual, in so much as
1) that they are not durable.
2) entering prices from the online site is a tedious multistep process.

I've never had an issue with price disappearance, unless they are not reported for several days, I like that feature of GB.

But I think this subject has been beat to death enough, it can be locked?!?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 7:15:26 AM

Retired Coastie,
You are right that the comments are somewhat ineffectual in that they are not durable. When you went back to check them 12 hours later, had the price been updated since you posted? If so, you have a member that posted w/out comments that have over-written your comment with a blank comment.

I have commented on this in my cash/credit price posts where the PTB tell us to use the comments fields. I have mentioned that the comments field are only as good as the membership that uses them, and that most don't. W/out a durable comment field, their utility is reduced, but it is still useful real estate as a comment field.

One thing you can do, is to open a thread in your local forum to encourage others to use the comment field. Unfortunately, not everyone reads those forums, but often those that do are the more active members of the local community.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2013 1:18:38 AM

Thanks for answering some of the questions, RC, but I still don't have enough information to make an informed reply until you address the remaining ones.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 12:33:14 PM

Were the price you posted still there, Retired-Coastie?
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 8:58:47 AM

Retired Coastie -

Here is an example of how the comments look on the Website (sorry, unable to check via APP - "Smart"phone is dead.

Comments (Mid grade ethanol free gas for 4.39)

This comment will be visible until someone posts a new price w/out comment or with different comment, or the price ages off.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 9/8/2013 8:59:58 AM EST]
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 8:46:04 AM

Retired-Coastie - When you checked 12 hours later, had someone else posted prices for that station? If so, that is the way the system works. Your comments will be over written by subsequent poster's comments aand if the subsequent poster had no comments, no comments would show.

This is frustrating to many of us who post comments regarding cash/credit differences for example. As TxJeans wrote, we would like are comments to stay unless the subsequent poster actually posts a comment.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 8:32:47 AM

kwzh, I posted comments on my iPhone yesterday with a simple "Does this work".
Then I went online on my computer at home under the post prices section and found that my comment was actually there, yea.
This morning less then 12 hours later, and after reading your post, I checked and the comment was gone.
The comments section is useless if it does not stay around for others to see.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2013 3:56:07 AM

RC, on those occasions when you've used the comment section and later found it to be blank again, are you posting the comment from the Web site or from a mobile device? Are you later reading from the site or from a mobile device?

If you're using the Web site, then which page are you on, and what action are you taking, when you attempt to create the comment? And which page to view the comment? (There are several possible answers, so please be as precise as possible so that I don't have to guess what you mean, even if you think it's obvious.)

When this situation occurs, how much time has passed between your posting the comment and your observation of its absence? Is your posted price still the current one, or has someone else posted a new price in the meantime?

Sorry about all the questions, but it's hard to make an informed reply if it turns out that we're talking about completely different things.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 9:22:15 AM

Sorry - didn't see your last post while I was posting.

That IS one of the complaints I have expressed about making the comments durable unless and until someone pro-actively clears them as no longer valid.

And yes, it would be nice if others would make use of that field.

When saved in my FSL, I never have to retype them unless it needs to be changed, so I have comments in many of my FSL comment fields that populate EACH time I post that station from my FSL.

You can use that field for E85. Encourage your local members to do the same. Make a thread and find other E85 users to encourage them to do the same. That is the best I can suggest until such time as Gas Buddy PTB decide to match the grades to the MSL (Master Station List).

Sorry, link to screen shot didn't work, but the MSL has CheckBox so it is available for them IF and WHEN they decide to make the grades tied to MSL.



[Edited by: TxJeans at 9/7/2013 9:25:23 AM EST]
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 9:16:36 AM

I also use the comment field extensively. I put in my FSL the Cash/Credit comments, and Sunoco Plus available.

I have yet to see an E85 price posted at curbside, and if available, have never seen it at any of the pumps I use. They have indicated that they are looking at tying the MSL and fuel types and I doubt they would do anything with the E85 until that happens -- IF then.

Retired-Coastie, you might in the meantime start a thread (topic) in your local forum for posting E85 and another for other "other prices". If your site has enough members, it will stay active and also be an indication to the GasBuddy PTB on the amount of interest in E85.

I am guessing by "other prices" that you might (at least in part) be referencing credit up pricing? Supposedly they are also looking to at least provide some sort of indicator (and maybe fields) for dual pricing once they finish their needs review, requirements and design and coding, testing, etc. They have added a check box for the dual pricing in the MSL.

One problem with all the different grades, octane levels for the grade differences, and cash/credit is that in much of the country they only post the REGULAR or REGULAR + DIESEL on the curb sign, so unless someone drives up to the pump, they are not going to post these additional prices (or will cheat and make them up based on what they think they would be based on the regular price).

Right now I am watching a poster that seems to be posting all grades for many stations. It is an area of town I am less familiar with, but based on what is common, I suspect that most of those stations are not posting all prices curbside, and the poster is copying forward and not driving up to the pumps to get the prices.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 8:51:10 AM

Let me clarify. The Comments section is a waste of space because the information you enter there is not retained, so it must not be shared.
I have entered information in that section, then returned and nothing is there. I have NEVER seen information from other users in that section. What is the use of posting additional information if it not shared.

So, if the Comments section were eliminated that screen space could be used for posted prices, ie: E85.
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 8:07:26 AM

I agree the comments are not a total waste of space. You can enter alternative fuel prices there, cash discount amounts, members only and many other things. I use it all the time.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2013 3:04:30 AM

Retired-Coastie seems to have meant to say [paraphrased as I've parsed it],
> The comment field (which btw is limited to 50 characters, though this isn't relevant to the suggestion) seems useless. If we got rid of it, then the space could be used for additional prices.

Firstly, it's not useless. I use the comment field several times per week. (By contrast, I have never seen an E85 price that I could report, if there were a field for it.)

Secondly, the reason E85 isn't supported has nothing to do with not being able to find room for the new fields. The mods have often indicated that they're taking a wait-and-see attitude towards additional fuel types.
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 11:58:02 PM


Yes, the Comments field is limited to 50 characters. That should be enough to indicate an additional surcharge for credit sales, a discount for using a patronage card, the availability of ethanol-free gas, etc., though not all of those things in one comment.
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2013 9:52:49 PM

Are you saying that the comments portion of gas price posting should be limited to a maximum of 50 characters? If so, what does that have to do with reporting E85 or other prices?

The comments section (which are used by some members, not by others) can be useful and is intended, among other things, to reflect the price difference if a station has prices that differ (depending on forms of payment) whereas the operators of the website have indicated on a number of occasions that the site will (for the time being) reflect the fuel used by the majority of members and the fuels most readily available (not "specialized or limited use fuels).

If you're suggesting that the comments section be limited to a maximum of 50 characters, that's one thing. If you're suggesting that price listings include E85 (or CNG, or propane, electrical costs, and so on, prices that have been suggested before, in multiple threads), that's another thing. But two, use of the comments section and the addition of other fuel prices are entirely independent issues. In my opinion.

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