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dale7474

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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2013 7:05:05 PM

Hello everyone , I will be going on a cruise to the Caribbean in October and was wondering how I would go about posting gas prices so I don't lose my consecutive day streak which is at 553. Any help would be appreciated thanks
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Don
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 3:33:24 PM

Considering the OP's question has been addressed and this topic has sincedeteriorated into off-topic discussion about free/pay to use hotel internet access, this topic is now closed.

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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 2:29:46 PM

Retired-Coastie :
You contact the moderators via the Help link at the top of the page.

But, simple disagreeing about whether "high priced hotels" should offer free wifi or not isn't a witch hunt. It's simple commentary and/or explanation on both sides. Or are you seeing something more into the posts than I'm seeing?
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 9:32:37 AM

So How do you contact a Mod? to lock a topic? This one has turned into a witch hunt.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2013 5:16:22 PM

No one has to offer free wifi Gas_Buddy. But considering the cost of wifi, it is to the businesses benefit to offer free wifi.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2013 5:05:02 PM

coflyer:

""If coffee shops and malls can offer free wifi, then so can ritzy hotels."

Nailed that one! Even Motel 6 offers free wifi."

Yes and no. It's been proven over the years that customers/guests at the more upper class and more expensive hotels are willing to and are better able to pay for the amenities. There's more, for lack of better words, disposable income to pay the costs of a premium facility (just as the better restaurants can and do charge more for better amenities and service). The lower cost hotels, the lower priced chains, etc., are in a more competitive business and and have to try harder to take business from other low cost hotels/chains, and therefore offer free this or free that.

Yes, the "ritzy hotels" can offer free wifi, but if they don't have to, and if they can charge the "average" customer, they will. You're comparing two entirely different consumer markets, at least for now.
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coflyer
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 11:06:38 PM

scoutmaster: "If coffee shops and malls can offer free wifi, then so can ritzy hotels."

Nailed that one! Even Motel 6 offers free wifi.
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2013 7:32:33 AM

The airlines are installing cabin wifi access that presumably use the same satellites, and as far as I'm aware (United) charging a flat fee to use, with free access to their United app to allow their passengers to check flight status, connecting flight information, and purchase tickets.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 7:52:40 PM

The current cost of satellite internet service to ocean going vessels is likely to reduce dramatically as the technology continues to evolve. After all, it wasn't that long ago that cell towers were primarily analog; and consumer GPS was accurate to only about 100m until 2000 when selective availability was finally disabled.

For the present, it looks like globe trotters will just have to pay the going rate,
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rspiano
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 11:20:24 AM

According to this article, the satellites used for connecting to the internet at sea cost hundreds of millions of dollars. Someone has to pay for this; however, there are relatively very few people (cruise ship, cargo ship and oil rig passengers and crew) who actually use the service. Because there are so few satellites in orbit that offer this service, bandwidth is very limited, so (the article says) speeds will not increase and costs will not decrease for satellite internet users in the near future.

http://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=1419
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 6:53:56 AM

Considering the cost of internet access is relatively inexpensive, passing this cost along to the consumer seems a bit of overkill to me.
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2013 12:55:17 AM

> one such item being Wi-Fi. Not all guests use it

That's the key to my prediction. I think that, Real Soon Now, virtually everyone will have a use for Internet access, and hence charging extra for it will seem like a bait-and-switch tactic that would hurt the hotel's image. Also, it might be "too cheap to meter", in the sense that it's not worth the overhead of doing the separate billing.

I did qualify it with "minimal [access]", because I figure that a there will always be some threshold; someone who needs a high-speed bulk download may well have to either go elsewhere, or pay for the deluxe connection.
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 3:00:25 PM

kwzh:

You wrote: "But I suspect that before the end of this decade, charging extra for minimal internet access (nearly zero marginal cost to the hotel) will seem as quaint as charging extra for access to a flush toilet."

Would you have suspected something as quaint as not charging for drinks or snacks on an airplane or not charging for a pillow or a movie on an airplane to change and become available only "for pay". Would you have expected to have to pay a service charge for the right to print your own boarding pass or for using (in some cases) a "person" at the check-in counter? Would you have expected the quaint custom of first come-first serve boarding to be replaced by "for a small fee you can go to the front of the first come-first serve boarding line?

I'm not saying that free or low-cost internet access on cruise ships won't (or shouldn't) become the norm, but if it does, it will simply be a hidden inclusion in the base price of every ticket, charged whether the passenger uses the amenity or not.

For some background on using the internet while embarked, see Connecting to internet while at sea

As for high-class hotels charging for internet access (or charging more) than standard or lower-class hotels, see the following New York Times article regarding internet access: New York Times artilce Note, in the article, that one of reasons for the rates is: “certain services that don’t affect all guests had to be altered — one such item being Wi-Fi. Not all guests use it, so to include it complimentary in the rate no longer makes sense with the consumer wanting the most attractive rates.” For a perspective from a former hotel general manager (now hotel consultant), see the following:

Perspective on hotel wi-fi
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rspiano
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 11:25:17 AM

As I remember from ~5 years ago, wifi access on cruise ships was outrageously expensive. One time activation fee of a few bucks, then 60 to 70 cents per *minute* for use. You can buy "packages" of an hour or two that bring the cost down to 40 or 50 cents per minute. Don't know if the price has come down (or gone up) since then. Best to research your ports and see if there's an internet bar nearby.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 6:39:38 AM

If coffee shops and malls can offer free wifi, the so can ritzy hotels.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 5:20:11 AM

"On a side issue, I find it annoying that a fancy hotel or a cruise ship would charge extra for internet access; it seems to me that it should be one of the perks of any modern establishment."

Sorry, but it's no different than airlines charging for multiple checked bags (or, for some airlines, checked bags) or charging for in-flight meals or drinks.
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Actually, I find it insulting that a fancy hotel charges for internet access. We stayed in a very fancy 5-star hotel for a wedding, and they wanted an hourly fee for internet, but the 4-star hotels we stayed at on the drive to and from offered free wi-fi, a guest computer in the lobby for guests who didn't have a wi-fi device, and one even had in-room computers, again, at no charge.
Why would I want to pay by the hour in my 5-star room when McD's had free access half a block away? If my room had been on the other end of the hotel, I might even have been able to log on to McD's site from my balcony.
A cruise ship may be different though, depending on the cost of satellite access for the internet cafe. Not many cruise ships have cable or phone lines dragging behind them! LOL!
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 3:52:01 AM

I won't deny that a hotel (or cruise line) has the *right* to make their own decisions on which items should incur surcharges. But I suspect that before the end of this decade, charging extra for minimal internet access (nearly zero marginal cost to the hotel) will seem as quaint as charging extra for access to a flush toilet.
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rspiano
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 3:13:28 PM

Thank you, Gas_Buddy. I was merely trying to answer dale7474's question.
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RichWLIN
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 8:27:17 AM

dale7474,

By now you understand how to keep your streak alive. Here's hoping that your cruise isn't as windy as some of the recent responses.

RG
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 7:30:07 PM

kwzh:

"On a side issue, I find it annoying that a fancy hotel or a cruise ship would charge extra for internet access; it seems to me that it should be one of the perks of any modern establishment."

Sorry, but it's no different than airlines charging for multiple checked bags (or, for some airlines, checked bags) or charging for in-flight meals or drinks. And it's no different than rental car agencies charging for use of a GPS, or automobile dealerships charging a "dealer prep" fee (rather than simply including it in the price of the vehicle). And it's no different than hotels and/or hospitals doing a line item charge for persons staying overnight.

Cruise lines have every right (not saying I agree with how they do it) to maximize their profits and have every right to offer "perks" as part of the package or to make certain amenities available for a fee.

That said, while I personally think the consecutive day streak should be secondary to enjoying the cruise (in part because it's not as if dale7474 was "competing" for the longest on-going streak - he's many hundreds behind the leaders in standing and several thousand days behind in "consecutive days"), it's apparently a concern of dale7474 to not lose his consecutive day streak. If that's the issue, helping him keep his streak intact, then we should be giving him suggestions on how to do so, and not criticizing the ways he can do. Criticizing the ways to do so is different, in my opinion, than saying "Maybe you want to put the streak in perspective and enjoy the cruise.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 7:07:04 PM

kwzh:

"On a side issue, I find it annoying that a fancy hotel or a cruise ship would charge extra for internet access; it seems to me that it should be one of the perks of any modern establishment."

Sorry, but it's no different than airlines charging for multiple checked bags (or, for some airlines, checked bags) or charging for in-flight meals or drinks. And it's no different than rental car agencies charging for use of a GPS, or automobile dealerships charging a "dealer prep" fee (rather than simply including it in the price of the vehicle). And it's no different than hotels and/or hospitals doing a line item charge for the many features (used or unused but 'available', including parking and television, among others) provided to persons staying overnight.

Cruise lines have every right (not saying I agree with how they do it) to maximize their profits and have every right to offer "perks" as part of the package or to make certain amenities available for a fee.

That said, while I personally think the consecutive day streak should be secondary to enjoying the cruise (in part because it's not as if dale7474 was "competing" for the longest on-going streak - he's many hundreds behind the leaders in standing and several thousand days behind in "consecutive days"), it's apparently a concern of dale7474 to not lose his consecutive day streak. If that's the issue, helping him keep his streak intact, then we should be giving him suggestions on how to do so, and not criticizing the ways he can do. Criticizing his options to continue his streak (which he wants to do) is different, in my opinion, than (as kwzh correctly said) to do so is different, in my opinion, than saying "I think it's a good idea to avoid getting too attached to the..."

Just my opinion.

[Edited by: Gas_Buddy at 8/24/2013 7:11:20 PM EST]
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 8:54:40 AM

Well, who wants to pay $18 for an hour of internet access, considering most members are here at this website to save money on gas?

[Edited by: ziyulu at 8/24/2013 8:55:16 AM EST]
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 1:55:25 AM

I think it's a good idea to avoid getting too attached to the speed lines and/or the consecutive days counter, so that it won't be so traumatic when you do miss a day.

If you happen to get internet access *and* feel like spending the time, then sure, go for it -- but don't forego anything just to continue the streak. Just enjoy the vacation.

On a side issue, I find it annoying that a fancy hotel or a cruise ship would charge extra for internet access; it seems to me that it should be one of the perks of any modern establishment. (Not so long ago, the standard for "modern" might have meant color TV, or any TV. Somewhat before that, it meant having indoor plumbing.)
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 9:30:02 PM

Jeesh! It ain't that important~
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 9:02:10 PM

Seriously, just go and enjoy the vacation. When you get back, you can work on a new goal to regain your stripes. No big deal.
Vacations are for VACATION! :-)
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rspiano
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 8:55:19 PM

If the internet on the cruise line has an option where you can pay for 24 hours of access, try this: Begin your service between, say, 12:30 a.m. and 2 a.m. to be safe. Let's say it's Monday, 1 a.m. in your time zone in the Caribbean. Log into a west coast GasBuddy site (e.g. LosAngelesgasprices.com, SanFran..., or even Honolulu..., where it is still Sunday, and click on a news article. You just got credit for Sunday, even though it is Monday where you are. Log into an east coast city site (NewYork, Philly, etc) and click on a news article to get credit for Monday. Log into the same east coast site 23 or 23.5 hours later (before your internet access expires, but after 12:00 a.m.), to get your points for Tuesday.

You will have received consecutive days "credit" for 3 days for one 24-hour internet access fee. You will not need to begin another 24-hours' access until Thursday around 1 a.m.

Then again, you may be able to find an internet bar in one of your ports of call, where you can get one or two days' credit for a couple of dollars or so (don't know what they would charge there. I have paid as little as US$0.17/hour in China or about US$0.70/hour in Mexico.)
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 5:34:23 AM

I've always used the internet lounges, usually early in the morning so as not to interrupt our other routines. You use their computers and tell your local and other buddies what they're missing, and even post pictures.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 5:22:38 PM

Enjoy the Cruise. Its healthy to get away from obsessions!

[Edited by: pilotmass at 8/22/2013 5:25:20 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 3:54:37 PM


Retired-Coastie:

dale7474 isn't taking his cruise until October. Not knowing how frequently he'll return to this thread for which the moderators provided a definitive response, you may wish to "talk" with dale7474 via Whiteboard or as a "buddy" rather than tying up this thread in which dale7474 may not return to. Just a suggestion.
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Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 10:17:14 AM

Hope you enjoyed the cruise. We've been on several ourselves, much fun.
Did you take a break from the obsession?
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Don
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:29:26 PM

Hello dale7474,

Users should only report prices that they have physically seen and confirmed for themselves.

If you're reporting prices from a cruise ship, you're not posting prices that you're physically seeing and confirming. Please do not do this. Either from the website or mobile app, this is cheating and it does not help anyone.

You only need to earn 1 point per day to advance your consecutive days. Since updating prices is out of your options to earn points, you can still browse news articles or post forum messages. If the cruise ship/your hotel/etc. has internet available then you could try to get this account activity in every day (I would recommend just enjoying your vacation though, personally).

You can also access the full website on a mobile device using the 'Visit full site' option if you really want to.

We will do consecutive day restorations, but not in the case of people going on vacation. This defeats the purpose of the consecutive day count entirely. Lack of cellular service/internet is a sticky topic.

PS: We do use GPS to validate award calculations in the app, if you're posting prices for stations that you're physically nowhere near (or if you have GPS disabled) this will reset your awards.

-Don
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:28:34 PM

Take a break! And you don't need to post prices to keep your consecutive days going. You only need to do something that earns points on this site.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:21:50 PM

A lot of cruise ships have an internet lounge. Not cheap but if it's that important to you, I guess you could campout and update at least the news and ready forum messages.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:20:44 PM

A break from the obsession might be good for you!
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:01:14 PM

dale7474:

"I don't see any options for reading news or forums on the app ??"

Simply use your mobile device's browser to open the full website and access the Gas Buddy program.

Alternatively, if you don't have browser capability on your iPhone, you're going on a cruise and you should be able to use on-board internet facilities. Not knowing the specific cruise line or ship, you may have to pay a fee to use the ship's internet but if keeping your consecutive days "streak" is that important while you're on a cruise, then the cost should be worth it. In a worst case, simply find another another cruise passenger and ask if you can "borrow" his browser access to make an "important" communication (though I wouldn't tell the other passenger that you're trying to anonymously continue a website-participation streak. Said another way, you might have to decide which is more important, enjoying a cruise or continuing your obligation to a consecutive day streak. Considering that there are more than 1,500 other members with longer streaks (much longer streaks), maybe enjoying the cruise without the "obligation" of posting on a website will be worth more in the end. Unless, of course, knowing you're ahead of some other anonymous members is that important.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:52:08 PM

I was up in northern New Hampshire, and couldn't get any cell service. Lost over a year's continuity of posts. Worst thing that happened to me all day.
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dale7474
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 9:28:40 AM

I don't see any options for reading news or forums on the app ??
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 9:24:43 AM

you should be able to read the news on the app. As long as you visit the site I think you get points
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dale7474
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 9:23:03 AM

Also, does the forum post have to be through the app? Or can it be from computer website? Ps I have iPhone app and how would I access forum through that?
Thanks
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 9:10:58 AM

Ayup - Reading the news, and posting to your favorite Forum will keep you current
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dale7474
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 8:53:14 AM

Ok thanks everyone..and I'm assuming it will still work for my commuter award as I am trying to reach level five on that?
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lwood655
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 8:03:14 AM

use your phone app and read news and post to the forums
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 7:37:55 AM

as GB said don't worry about posting prices as long as you read news articles or post in the forums you can still get some points
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 7:05:28 AM

Have a great vacation dale7474.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 5:19:23 AM

Use an I Phone app.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2013 8:19:19 PM

You can't post gas price to continue your consecutive day streak unless you're making up prices for stations you haven't seen, or you're copying prices that others have posted.

However, you don't need to post gas prices to continue your consecutive day streak. all you need to do is do any points earning activity. You can read one news article a day or make one message post or vote in the weekly poll and you'll be doing something consecutive.

That said, just a reminder, the General Gas Talk discussion category is for discussion about gas stations, fuel, oil, etc. Moderators should move this topic to the Off Topic discussion category.

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