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SUVFan

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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 12:00:53 PM

There's more to the glitch than this closed thread about the poll indicated. In an attempt to influence my 30 day position, I held my vote in last weeks poll until Saturday afternoon. The problem is that by the time I voted, the new poll went up early.

After clearing cookies this morning, I just voted again. I was not awarded points, presumably because the site's tracking indicated I had already voted in this poll, which is true.

I'll contact CC directly about the issue, but thought the glitch worthy of a note here.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 4:46:48 PM

Thanks, Don! Both for the points and the explanation.

I went to CC not so much out of personal preference, but because CC had closed the other thread and it seemed CC would be most up to speed.
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Don
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 4:22:52 PM

Hi SUVFan, you may be better off contacting the general feedback inbox, if you've only contacted your preferred mod it's likely they're unavailable or preoccupied with other site tasks.

For some reason or another, the current weekly poll was posted early, meaning that some users were able to participate in two polls for one voting period. This has since been corrected.

It would appear to me as though you were waiting to gain your weekly vote points for later in the week and, to no fault of your own, missed voting in the "first" poll last week. I do see you received points for your vote in the "second poll" (this week's poll).

I've awarded you with points for the first poll, thanks for your patience.

NOTE - those who received points for two polls last week will not receive points if they vote in the poll again, you can only earn points for each poll once.

-Don

[Edited by: Don at 3/27/2013 4:24:13 PM EST]
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 11:54:11 AM

Gas_Buddy, that's only part of "how it reads". Your post overlooks the part about holding "my vote until Saturday afternoon," when the new poll had gone up early.

The lead post was dated 3/25/13 in the early afternoon. That was a Monday. I indicated that "after clearing cookies THIS MORNING, I just voted again. (Caps supplied).

So from that you could see that I voted once on Saturday afternoon getting 100 points and again on Monday morning getting no points. If you understand how points are awarded for poll voting -- once per Sunday a.m. to Saturday p.m. calendar week -- then the problem is apparent: The early loading of this weeks poll during the prior week interfered with how points for poll voting are supposed to be awarded.

If you were confused by my reference to why I voted late in the week, I understand that, but my previous post clears that up adequately.

It is not time for this topic to close, though anyone tired of the topic can certainly stop clicking on it. This topic has legs until two things happen:

1) I get my points and 2) There is some acknowledgement from the site as to what happened.

Edit: Finally, as Gas_Buddy notes, sometimes lead posts could be written better and, after some discussion, that becomes clearer. In this case, I think my lead post more than met the site's standard for creating polls, which is, "will most readers get the gist?" Most did. Still, the attractiveness of having the ability to edit posts in such circumstances is demonstrated again.



[Edited by: SUVFan at 3/27/2013 12:00:34 PM EST]
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 10:20:21 AM

kwzh:

You wrote: Note that SUVFan is *not* griping about the failure to tweak his position on the 30-day list, but rather about losing the points that should have been available."

SUVFan's most recent post notwithstanding, the original post says "After clearing cookies this morning, I just voted again. I was not awarded points, presumably because the site's tracking indicated I had already voted in this poll, which is true." That sounds like, again, sounds like, trying to get double points for voting in the poll.

That, along with SUVFan's comment (in the original post) "In an attempt to influence my 30 day position..." and his later adding "" Why would anyone want to influence their 30 day position?" I can only answer for myself of course, and it's not simple. It starts with my competitive nature, I guess...I find it fun to see my screen name at or near the top." certainly makes it seem as if he's griping (your word) about not being able to tweak his position on the list.

That may not have been SUVFan's intent, but that's how it reads.

Perhaps, as the polls have moved on, it's time for this topic to be closed.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 9:52:36 AM

Exactly, KWZH. Thanks for pointing that out.

Mostly, I started this thread because I experienced an effect of the site not working the way it should. And so far, I've had no response to my pm about the situation and, though I have not looked at my points history to see if they credited the points without comment, my current 3162 30 day rank suggests that hasn't happened yet.

I thought adding the context of why I delayed voting in the poll would head off otherwise inevitable comments to the effect of, "Well, if you had voted earlier in the week -- and you obviously showed up every day! -- it wouldn't have been a problem." Like most posting below, I really don't care about my 30 day position. But the site displays the rank prominently on that little scoreboard near the top of the page, and it just turns into a game.
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drillintheUSA
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 6:54:15 AM

Hum...I couldn't care less!
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kwzh
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:34:43 AM

Note that SUVFan is *not* griping about the failure to tweak his position on the 30-day list, but rather about losing the points that should have been available. The former would be silly, but the latter is a valid complaint.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 10:37:05 AM

Sorry, Zim.

I should have linked to this obscure list in the lead post. Having the ability to edit for longer than 5 minutes would be helpful at times such as this!
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 9:42:50 AM

There's still a 30-day point leaders list. Who knew?
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 8:45:46 AM

Wow! Where to start?

The most consistent question below is, "Why would anyone want to influence their 30 day position?" I can only answer for myself of course, and it's not simple. It starts with my competitive nature, I guess. I try to perform well at everything I attempt. There's also an element of chance attached to 30 day poll position, and I find it fun to see my screen name at or near the top.

My guess is that the site's founders created the 30 day list to make the site more interesting for some of us. The The 30 day list FAQ (#29) explains that up to 31 days of points can be counted, suggesting to me that far from being anything close to wrong, manipulating one's 30 day position is encouraged by the site -- all within the rules, of course! It's part of the workings of the site and it should work correctly.

And this time, it failed. I voted in the poll last Saturday about 11:30 a.m. That was the first time I voted last week, and everyone posting below knows the poll week for points purposes runs Sunday at 12:00:01 a.m. to Saturday 11:59:59 p.m. I don't know what would happen if someone managed to vote exactly at 12:00:00, though I suspect it would go to the new week. Regardless, clearly that vote counted in last week's poll.

The problem is that the new poll (the one intended for this week) was already up. That was the glitch discussed in the other thread. As my "attempt at manipulation" was exactly as jrsva described it -- in keeping with the site's faq referenced above -- I should have been able to vote again this week and get my 100 points. But my guess is that the point limiting mechanism is set to award points only once in a single poll, not in a 7 day period as the rules lay it out, and the site is relying on timely poll changeovers to regulate the poll point awards in accord with its rules.

Lastly, turning to bytebug's statement to the effect that if you're here for the points you're here for the wrong reason, I have to ask that if that's so, why the prizes are out in front on the signup page? The possibility of winning prizes is the site's way of inducing others to sign up for membership. After all, you can post all the prices you want as a guest. If you don't value the points, why bother to sign in at all?

As I've posted repeatedly over my tenure here, there is absolutely nothing wrong with posting 5 -- and only 5 -- prices any day you choose to because that's the number of prices the site will award points for. With only a few exceptions (yes, my 1500 plus consecutive day streak includes days I forgot to post prices), I have posted between 5 and (just guessing here) 50 prices. My average number of postings used to be higher, in the 25 to 30 range, because my driving routes used to take me past more stations. For the last year or so, I post only an average of 8 to 15 prices, and I'm less likely today to overpost a correct, fairly recent price than when I was a newer member.

With the questions answered and the off topic comments responded to, let's not turn this thread into another discussion about the points system, which has been beaten to death and is not changing any time soon.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 7:28:44 AM

The 30 day might have made sense back when there was a small community....not any more. Too many people can and will get the max each day, and only the newbies would have access to extra 100 for joining and the tell a friends. I have never understood the 30 day board as having any value what so ever except to create frustration for those that think it does....just like silly apps awards. If I want to play a game, there are plenty of more interesting game apps that do not stimulate messing with a useful data base that OTHERS use that don't see your apps award or don't give a hoot about 30 day status. Heck, even get rid of the speedy stripes.
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 3:49:31 AM

>> The 30-day ranking is a here-today-gone-tomorrow stat.

More like here-now-gone-in-a-hour stat.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 12:22:55 AM

What I think SUV was trying to do was to vote in the poll late in the week then vote early in succeeding weeks in order to get 500 poll points in a 30-day period. I see no harm in this, certainly nothing wrong or improper, but my question is, “Why bother?” The 30-day ranking is a here-today-gone-tomorrow stat. Very few members will even notice who is at the head of that leader board and even fewer will care.
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MyVue08
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 12:03:06 AM


Yes! He/she REALLY does care THAT much about their 30 day "pecking order" (to quote). Why is a good question. I agree - trying to "influence" a ranking is wrong (on many levels IMO).

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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 11:26:28 PM

bytebug wrote:
"As always, if you're here for the points, you're here for the wrong reason. The site would be better off if they eliminated points completely and silliness such as this thread would just disappear."

The first part is correct, however the points, in Gas Buddy management's view (if I understand the posts of several moderators) is that the prizes attract new people to join the website, and help continue the interest of many current members. That being the case, and as points are necessary (under the current "drawing system"), it would be couner-productive to eliminate the points without, that is, an alternate prize drawing system.

One alternative would be to give each and every member a single chance to "win" the drawing, a system that (considering how many people are already upset with low-point and brand-new members winning the prize) would surely draw complaints if the winners were simply one-and-done-ers or otherwise non-participating. The points system, like it or not, is an effective management tool in enabling members to take part in the drawing, the greater the participation in Gas Buddy activities (with limitations to prevent abuse), the more chances/opportunities to "win" the drawing.

That said, the 30-day listing is an innocuous list, feeding the ego of "being at the top" while simultaneously bringing in continual complaints of "why does someone have more points that I can accumulate...". But what I can't understand is why anyone, especially a long time member, would make "an attempt to influence [his] 30 day position", let alone think that trying to influence his position mid-afternoon makes any difference. Even if a long time member had the opportunity to be the 30-day points leader (because no new members took the opportunity to maximize or near-maximize his/her points during the first month), it would be a one-time only, and fleeting, position. Trying to "influence my 30 day position" makes, to me at least, no sense.

Questioning the "glitch" about the polls is one thing; complaining that you weren't able to influence your 30 day position is an entirely different thing that, again, makes no sense. At least not to me.
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bytebug
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 10:39:14 PM

As always, if you're here for the points, you're here for the wrong reason. The site would be better off if they eliminated points completely and silliness such as this thread would just disappear.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 7:15:40 PM

Trying to influence your 30 day position? Why?
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 1:44:22 PM


Is the issue the glitch in the weekly poll or in your "attempt to influence" your "30 day position".

I'm honestly not trying to be cynical, maybe "wonderous" is a better word, but you're really trying to "influence" your 30 day position? Isn't that a moving level at best, and do people really take where they are on the 30-day-pecking-order THAT seriously? I understand (though not very much) members being upset about not earning points, but "influencing" their "30 day position"?
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