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PD

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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 4:07:43 PM

Some updates on what we'd like to see in Newsville:

>>>Post news that aims to EDUCATE, NOT PERSUADE GasBuddy members<<<

1) Post news only from respected/credible/traditional news media that can be accessed by all users (no subscriptions/logins). Some examples of these organizations: Media outlets with TV channels (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox, CNBC, MSNBC, Bloomberg, etc.), Major/Local Radio stations (WBBM Chicago, KNX Los Angeles, CBS Radio, etc), Newspapers with distribution (no online only): NY Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, etc.

2) Post news that is on subject with GasBuddy's user base: gasoline prices, driving, car safety, oil prices, refineries, CAFE standards, diesel, car technology, gas stations, industry news. Avoid news that does not pertain to the U.S. and Canada, since GasBuddy's users are from these countries only.

3) Avoid posting any news of issues that are off-topic, mainly political, or controversial, and do not post any opinion/guest editorial or other news piece by contributors not employed by the outlet running the story.

4) Digital ONLY websites are generally not allowed (although if the website is operated/owned by an outlet that operates a TV/Radio/Newspaper, it may be OK- example: MLive.com is owned by a company that distributes newspapers all over Michigan and is OK) A few examples of digital only that are not allowed: blogs such as OilPrice.net, Jalopnik, Wired, AutoBlog, etc. or online news such as Huffington Post.

5) Be careful about posting the source and article title correctly. If either one is wrong, it will be removed. We believe there are some mistakes, yes, and don't worry if your article is removed, just make sure you're accurate :)

We may write your Whiteboard or message you via your e-mail, but we may also not if we believe it to be a small one time mistake. Generally, if we feel users are deliberately posting bad news stories, we may warn or revoke the ability to contribute.

Check back here for periodic updates.



[Edited by: PD at 10/23/2014 12:23:47 PM EST]
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 12:59:35 AM

I think some magazines should be considered newsworthy. Magazine articles may not be quite as current as newspapers but they often provide good overview articles that cover what has happened over a period of days or weeks. Longer articles can give a story more context than is typically possible in a newspaper. I would hate to see magazines banned from Newsville categorically.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 10:06:33 PM

Hey everyone - things are looking good. I haven't been able to spend much time with looking at this or suggestions for wording as I have been dealing with a hospitalized family member, but you all seem to have done and are doing a good job in refining and polishing the wording.

But, regarding " I'll keep an eye on pumps. Keeping in mind with the new rules about what's credible and allowed to be posted, I believe that if article survives my approval, it's fine to pump." I still like the idea of a limit to the number of pumps any one person can do in 24 hour period (either by day or rolling). The reason is, if you follow the whiteboards they actively recruit pumps and I see comments in response that "I only pump friends". The posting should be based on content and not popularity of the poster.

I also like the idea (though it would take more programming) of a 24 hour rolling of top 5 articles as jrsva indicated to resolve the midnight pump it group. Heck, I have even seen them on your, CC and other mod WBs asking for pumps.

Unfortunately, many have been driven away from actually reading and not just F5'ing for points due to the state that newsville got while you were off taking care of other business. It will take time to draw back those folks that gave up.

I also think an announcement with link to the new rules is needed in What's new.

Keep up the good work!

PS - Can we get programming to fix the "last post" on stickies so it updates? thanks!

[Edited by: TxJeans at 10/23/2014 10:08:09 PM EST]
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:34:13 PM

It's looking pretty good, PD. But the previous post points out that magazines are not addressed nor is the concept of timeliness of submissions.

Timeliness might be addressed simply by inserting "current", "timely" or "up-to-date" in either or both of the first two paragraphs after the word, "Post", with a definition as to what that means in terms of hours or days if desired for clarity. For example, "Current means stories less than 48 hours old". Or it could be addressed in the "avoid" list by inserting the word, "stale" with an indication of when something is considered to be stale.

You've previously indicated that you'd prefer not to see magazines, I think because they are less newsy. If you still feel that way, they should be worked into the "avoid" list.
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NOTSOGRN
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 4:50:31 PM

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I would like to bring up Forbes as I caught on to this in very small print it will say: "Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own" vs staff items.
So I take it some from Forbes maybe OK but, do rule out the contributors as opinions pieces.

I see Forbes being a little tricky as the item has to be looked at...or is there another disqualifier covering Forbes?
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Just before posting this it does look like the Forbes items were pulled today so we can now rule out Forbes or not?

[Edited by: NOTSOGRN at 10/23/2014 4:51:46 PM EST]
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BeaconLite
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 3:13:31 PM

Thank You PD for the MUCH improved guidelines. They do not come across like a drill sergeant yelling at the troops.
PD, I can understand it is frustrating for you when members do not adhere to the RULES, by the same token it is also frustrating to see their article removed without knowing why, therefore I would encourage you PD to contact the member via WB to point out the infraction in a positive way. By doing so the member has a better understanding and you will shine as a Moderator.
I will also suggest that before enforcing amendments to the RULES that have not been listed, please inform the member of the upcoming changes before removing their article. You will once again appear as a hero.
Once again many thanks.
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BIGOILEATURCRUD
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:57:52 PM

Consistency would be worth ONE THOUSAND WORDS!

The New American Magazine has failed to EDUCATE or PERSUADE many,
but one has to assume it is a vetted news source since being on the front page since midnight.

about

Just a casual observation!
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PD
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:23:22 PM

NOTE:

I have updated the first post with the new guidelines. Hopefully I didn't miss anything. If I did, please let me know.
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PD
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:46:24 AM

Which article, Beacon? Post the link here and I'll explain.
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BeaconLite
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:41:55 AM

Good Morning PD, you have once again pulled down an article this morning without sending me a WB message as to what I did wrong. Without your feedback it is difficult to comply to the RULES which I am trying hard to do it adhere to. You have taken the time post WB messages to others, please do the same for me. BTW is Imarketreport on your blacklist, if not please add to it.
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PD
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:04:43 AM

jrsva and EZExit (and I think bar1035)- I see you in the poll section helping word language for polls. Since I believe at lear jrsva and EZ see where I'm going, would it be possible for you to draft some language for said rules that would completely replace the current "guidelines" that pop up when you're on the page to submit news? We can discuss here about language changes and such.

Bar- as for those two sites, (and other online only news) their reporters/writers/bloggers do not have the same level of credentials that established serious media reporters do, and the level of internal review before pieces are submitted is near zero. This is why I prefer large established news media- the articles are almost always carefully edited and vetted before publishing, and are a higher standard than your run of the mill blogs and online only sites.

Ban_e10- With my monitoring of newsville, I'll keep an eye on pumps. Keeping in mind with the new rules about what's credible and allowed to be posted, I believe that if article survives my approval, it's fine to pump. I've been keeping an eye on things, and I have less patience when it comes to abusing the site (prices/forums/news/etc) and I have had my fill.
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BAN_e10_GAS
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:24:15 AM

THANKS for your efforts to clean this up. I, too, was really starting to get tired of the renegades who have hijacked the news section.

I had been monitoring the whiteboard comments of some of these groups. A common thread I have found among these are statements such as "You have been double pumped." To me, this implies that some of these renegades have more than one GB account. I thought this wasn't allowed.

A couple of suggestions. 1) Once an article is posted, give everyone the option to "pump it down." If too many people find an article to be biased, then it can be removed. 2) We only get points for posting 5 prices a day. So, limit everyone to 5 pumps per day in the news section.

[Edited by: BAN_e10_GAS at 10/23/2014 8:25:11 AM EST]
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 7:41:03 AM

There seem to be a lot of fierceenergy.com and AutoEvolution articles.

Not saying they are all bad or anything. Just wondering about them?

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jrsva
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 1:48:30 AM

Patrick, thanks very much for your efforts to reform Newsville. The difference is immediately obvious. One more suggestion —

It appears that the first three articles submitted after midnight ET automatically make it to the Home page, displacing yesterday’s news. That is good in that it keeps the latest news front and center but it is exploited by the post-and-pump cliques to get their stuff onto the Home page. Maybe that problem is being resolved since many of the p’n’p folks also tend to post inappropriate articles, which is now getting them sent to detention hall.

I don’t know what it would take in terms of a programming change but it would be nice if yesterday’s articles were not all dumped form the Home page simultaneously at midnight. Perhaps the Home-page articles could be selected from a rolling 24-hour period instead of a calendar day. That would remove the advantage given to those who always post articles at one minute past midnight and it should dilute the influence of the p’n’p cliques.

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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 3:21:53 PM

PD, I am delighted that you are taking the time to clean up the news section, it is greatly appreciated. For what its worth I find your edited OP to be clear cut and dry in regards to what is and what is not permitted.
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NOTSOGRN
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:05:41 PM

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The do not use list will be to big for the rules box.
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Will a link in the rules box to an easily updatable page work to fully list the do not use sites. Create a list today & it will be outdated tomorrow.
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Mistakes happen & the list can be referred to get the answer for ourselves.
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Should the rules have a mission statement at the top such as...
"We aim to educate users, not persuade"
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PD
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:10:48 PM

SUV,

Yahoo is credible enough for me, as long it is their own material and not a contributor. Same goes for AOL. Original content from these outlets is credible. Opinions/Guests/Editorials/Etc still off limits.

Bloomberg has a tv channel and does have publication (magazine) and I deem that worthy. Any other questions about valid sources I'd be happy to explain my thinking.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:06:00 PM

One question I have has to do with the on line only prohibition. I think the intent is to get rid of the obscure sites. Are sources such as Yahoo!, AOL, and the like OK? Does Bloomberg have a "real" presence? I think all of those pass the legitimate test.

Also, I see PD was busy today. 3 of the stories that are among the day's top 5 votegetters are not among the stories on the home page and are gone from Newsville. Clicking their links in the daily top 5 archive yields the "We're sorry. Topic no longer available" message. One was a pure global warming piece, I infer one had more to do with international politics than it did with oil, and another apparently had a registration requirement.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:25:00 AM

Good job on the prose SUVFan.

One other thing that bothered me recently was one member from New Hampshire kept posting articles that required the reader to anwer one or more questions in order to read the article. Not something I was fond of doing.

And of course the number one article at the moment is 2014 is the hottest year on record. The pump it up club seems to work in both directions.

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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:11:49 PM

Thanks SUVFan - looks good. I'll look at it again tomorrow evening after work.

PD - it would be good to put on the programming list to allow the "Last Post" date and time update when there is activity on the "stickie" threads.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 5:11:47 PM

Here's a stab at it, PD, trying to match the tone of the existing guidelines and incorporate a few other concepts you've posted to this thread.

Insert new paragraph:

2. Post only from reputable, up-to-date sources.
Post only dated NEWS stories from major TV, newspaper and radio outlets.
Never post items from blogs, magazines or online only sources.

Renumber, with minor edits:

3. Avoid Pop-Ups or intrusive advertising
Do not post editorials, letters-to-the-editor or other opinion pieces.
Do not post articles requiring registration of any sort for access.
Do not post pimarily political pieces or sources, such as stories about Global Warming or Climate Change.

4. Choose recent articles
Posted articles must be current (not more than 48 hours old) and preferably be unique.
That means if you submit an old story or one that is very similar to one submitted previously, it may be removed.

Add at the end:

For more information, please visit the News Posting Tips topic in the Talk Back To Us category.
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 4:47:51 PM

Speaking of tone, may I suggest you write the updates to Newsville on what's allowed and what isn't in a more informative and positive tone. Members will tend to adhere more positively to those requirements.
In addition several members will reply to a article stating it has "nothing to do with gas prices" when it does indeed meet GB Posting Requirements.
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PD
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:07:11 PM

Perhaps some of you folks could put together something I could paste into the rules (I'm short on time) that has the same tone/requirements that I'm listing here...
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:44:30 PM

Thanks PD.
Now, maybe limit the number of articles any one person can pump in a day?

It will take time before the masses return and realize it isn't just the game of a few "pump my friends only" gang.

You might also add it to the "What's New" page.
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:35:11 AM

PD, a big thank you!
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:08:22 AM

That should help a bunch, PD. I'd noticed very low vote totals this morning and thought something had to be up.

If it hasn't been done yet, I recommend updating the posting guidelines that are available on the article submission page, too.

[Edited by: SUVFan at 10/21/2014 10:11:28 AM EST]
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PD
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:28:23 AM

OK guys, I'm fed up.

New change- and it's going to impact Newsville dramatically.

NO MORE NEWS AT ALL from blogs, or online only websites. Major news outlets only that have a real presence: TV, Radio, Newspaper.

Examples of allowed sources:
NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, FOX, FOX Business, LA Times, WSJ (non subscription), Chicago Tribune, NY Times, NY Post, local newspapers with DISTRIBUTION, major radio stations, local tv stations.

Enough of these posters posting items from less than responsible organizations, or should i say "less than fully vetted" news organizations.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 8:05:11 AM

Thanks PD. It is evident that you have been working on it. One of the most noticeable problem makers has not been seen for a while. And the pump it group is talking about which stories get through and which don't and how long the ones they know might not stay up remain up. It will take time before others come back and bother voting or posting stories.

Now, if you could find someone that could take care of the "mudslinging" that even migrated over to posting comments on member pics (could you put in a request to be able to clear comments off pics like we can WBs? - there is a thread in TBTU about it)...

If we could clear inappropriate comments w/out reporting all but the most vial, it would help with overload of mail.

Thanks for all the efforts you have been putting in. Just try and keep a balance is all we ask for - so it is not leaning too far left or right. There are a lot that are tired of the far left and far right drowning out collaboration and moderation.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:12:05 PM

pzini- take a deep breath. I'm monitoring newsville and am handing out vacations for posters who I stumble on who warrant a break from posting. That said, I'm not sitting at a computer 24/7 watching offenders, so just relax- I'm watching.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 4:05:43 PM

I don't see any confusion. It's very clear GW articles, pro or con, are rightfully taken down sooner or later.
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pzini
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 9:07:51 AM

I'm really confused. Climate change articles are off-limits, aren't they? And websites with an obvious political agenda are also forbidden to be posted in News, right? So yesterday we have "Climate change alarmists silent on economic damage done by climate change alarmists" from the website "watchdog.org", and it wasn't removed. Again, the article was posted by a repeat offender, who appears to be exempt from posting rules. Seems like arbitrary enforcement of vague posting rules, and a definite double standard, depending on which side of the issue is presented. It looks like, all GasBuddies are equal, but some GasBuddies are more equal than others (apologies to George Orwell).
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 9:04:25 AM

I guess it depends on who posts a Climate Change article, and which viewpoint the article takes. A certain GasBuddy member seems to have immunity, having used up well more than 3 strikes, posting articles like "Obama Emits Enough CO2 For 22 People On Way To UN Climate Summit". The source seems to matter as well. To me, "The Daily Caller" is a right-wing rag, but apparently it is considered a credible source by you, PD? Articles from that site are posted frequently by the aforementioned "teflon" member.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 9:06:53 AM

There are Bar1035, abuse has been reported.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 8:40:27 AM

There are a couple of opporunities today.

BIGOIL - there is an abuse button beside every post. No need to post comments here that I can see.
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 8:38:26 PM

But now I have:

Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 12:39:54 PM Ignore dallfo Report Abuse...

while the nation's economy continued to struggle over the last year.

Texas was adding more than 1,000 net new jobs every day,

more than 390,000 for the most recent 12 month period.By contrast, California, which has highly restricted the growth of its own energy production,

has added just 322,000 net new jobs in the last five years combined.In other words...

Republican-controlled Texas' fossil-fuel based economy is adding jobs at an annual rate 506% faster than Democrat-controlled California's alternative-energy based economy.

You get what you vote for.
Vote Republican.



[Edited by: BIGOILEATURCRUD at 9/10/2014 8:39:29 PM EST]
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BIGOILEATURCRUD
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 8:26:12 PM

Good analogy SUVFan!

I did notice some "climate change" in Newsville today.

The term blog is ambiguous and although the article was posted on Forbes Site, the disclaimer stated by Forbes is the give away; not mentioning "Eye-Popping" in the headline.

"Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own."

Same holds true for todays entertainment -

Recognizing The Golden Age Of Texas Oil And Gas While We're In It

But it is PD's candy store and he hasn't pulled either one, nor have I opened either today to view the political drivel.

My editor failed me by posting "new", vice "knew".
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 5:52:43 PM

I know PD has been pulling articles - it is obvious by the complaints and comments of a group of posters ;-)
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 3:09:11 PM

I agree with teenitup and TxJeans that there is a noticeable difference of late.

I checked out the piece linked in BIGOILEATURCRUD's post. It appears to be not from a blog but from a section of Forbes online, verboten in item 4 of the lead post and explained in PDs 9/27/12 post in this thread. In that post, PD also indicates that "recent news is something that is dated, and generally less than 48 hours old." That piece was submitted on 9/9 but is dated 9/4, right on the verge of turning into cheap wine.

[Edited by: SUVFan at 9/10/2014 3:09:51 PM EST]
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 9:37:56 AM

Thank you PD! We know you can't catch all of them (there's one or two again today) but you've certainly made the news forum a better place again!
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 6:13:52 PM

Haven't noticed any changes.

Blogs are still being posted as news...i.e.

Inside The Eye-Popping Deal Nevada Offered To Land Tesla's $5 Billion Gigafactory

I new about the Gas Giveaway, but wasn't aware of the free vacations.

Hope the vacations weren't to Siberia; that would be cold.
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 7:27:34 AM

Thanks PD - I pretty much gave up on newsville early on, but things have been looking better lately with your input. I had to remove some buds due to WB abuse, but looks like that was cleaned up, but heard some moved on to commenting on peoples pics to let them know that what they couldn't post on WBs. I just don't get why people have to threaten folks for pumping someone not in their clique, or why they expect people to pump based on WHO not WHAT was posted. The drama lately...you would think it was kindergarten.

But again, thanks for stepping in to help. Personally, I like see a variety of articles from both sides of the discussion. Now, if we could remove POSTING points from newsville to get rid of the OK folks, I might actually return to participate in newsville.
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 11:21:07 PM

Some of those posting continued global warming articles and related have gotten a free vacation.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 7:06:49 AM

We know you're busy PD. Thanks for what you can do.

Just realize we all have biases as do all these other posters.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 6:47:31 AM

I think your job would be easier if you just put the two PD blogs up and link to news. Maybe folks would look past the top five and actually find there ARE other news items. Or, take the poster's name off the submission - at least from showing on the front page, or limit the pumps so they have to be selective, or make it available to pump up or down. Personally, I like the idea of rotating the news through or just the blogs and the link to news.

I think a lot of folks have given up on the newsville and just click for points now and don't bother looking beyond the top five. I suspect a lot have also given up on finding and posting news.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 8/27/2014 6:49:05 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 11:42:24 PM

I do my best to catch articles that do not belong. I do have other functions that keep me busy.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 7:20:34 AM

......... like today's article, "Feds aren’t protecting pipelines from cartels, Texas regulator says", which fails on two counts: 1) It is a blog (right in the URL), and, 2) the source is intentionally misrepresented- it is actually from "Fuelfix", not The Houston Chronicle.

or yesterdays article, "Anti-energy activists cause more problems than they solve", an Op-Ed piece.

or Thursday's "Blinded by the glare of green energy — a threat to over 40 million airplane passengers", right off the Opinion page of the Washington Times.

or Wednesday's "Will EPA Kill Texas’ Energy Revolution", which, again, is an opinion piece, misrepresented as from The Houston Chronicle, but actually from Feulfix.

3 strikes?
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 11:15:14 AM

PD- I'm not sure why the article I posted was removed: "Deep Pollution Cuts Needed by 2050 to Limit Global Warming". It was not a blog or opinion piece, was published on a non-political website- Scientific American- and relates to gas prices in the certainly obvious aspect of how restricting carbon-based fuels will definitely impact energy prices over the long term.

Meanwhile, certain members post op-ed articles almost daily, and often post articles blatantly lying about the source, with no rebuke.

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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 9:37:04 AM

We could start with a list of those really good stories from real sites with real facts. :)
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 4:56:59 PM


Excellent question Jayburt. I too would like to hear the answer to that one ;0}
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 4:52:53 PM

Confused how the posts by dallfo are staying up when they link to The Washington Post,a known rightwing rag,and the day before the one linking to the Texas Heritage Foundation piece that was obviously a editorial at best, both against submission requirements for news articles. The bad part is many members have found some really good stories leading to real sites with real facts that never have a chance because of this stuff
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 10:02:08 AM

My attitude about politics infiltrating newsville: The world doesn't need politics infiltrating every issue. And that's why I continue to "clean up" newsville. I'm sick of people on BOTH sides trying to push their agenda on people.

If your article has too much political garbage, it's getting removed. If it's done in a balanced way when necessary, that's fine. Oh, and no matter what side of the aisle, lies or articles that misrepresent the truth or facts will NOT be tolerated and removed.
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