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PD

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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 4:07:43 PM

Some updates to Newsville on what's allowed and what isn't.

Three strikes and you're out, and since I moderate newsville, I'm the one tasked with judgement. There are contributors to newsville that have never had an article removed, and here are some rules to make sure it doesn't happen to you:

Most importantly: misrepresenting the source or headline of an article may lead to more than one strike, depending on severity.
1) Do not post stories from less than credible or un-heard of sources
2) Do not post blogs or magazine articles from any site (OilPrice.net, Jalopnik, Wired, AutoBlog, etc)
3) Do not post opinion, guest, editorial, or opinion pieces
4) Do not post pieces that don't have a significant impact on a majority of our users (IE- clean energy in Europe, UK gas taxes, car chases, gas station accidents)
5) Do not post articles/news from sites that require memberships or subscriptions
6) Do not post articles from the following blacklisted sites:
newswithviews.com, oilprice.net, oilprice.com, nrdc.org, heritage.org, consumerenergyreport.com [more may be added]
7) Do not post articles that are mostly political or from sources that are clearly marked as political, such as Conservative Crusader, or Democrat Today, etc.
8) NO MORE NEWS AT ALL from blogs, or online only websites. Major news outlets only that have a real presence: TV, Radio, Newspaper.

Examples of allowed sources:
NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, FOX, FOX Business, LA Times, WSJ (non subscription), Chicago Tribune, NY Times, NY Post, local newspapers with DISTRIBUTION, major radio stations, local tv stations.

Enough of these posters posting items from less than responsible organizations, or should i say "less than fully vetted" news organizations.

IF YOUR ARTICLE IS GONE, it is likely because it was a near or exact duplicate of a previous article. It may be because it was viewed as too opinionated, or the information was wrong, too political, or something else. If you didn't get a warning, don't sweat it! If you got a warning, please re-read the rules carefully.

You may be warned via Whiteboard, private message, or email if you've violated the rules more than once. Once you've hit three warnings, your ability to post news will be limited or removed. We are not allowing members to flag other members and are not reading messages from members about policing or articles to remove. Article removal will be solely decided by myself or other moderators. Bad articles may take several hours to remove, subject to other tasks and duties.

Thanks for complying and participating.

Check back periodically for updates.

Replies to this topic may be removed, and this post will change to reflect good additions to this topic made by posts which are subsequently moved.


[Edited by: PD at 10/21/2014 9:28:38 AM EST]
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:25:00 AM

Good job on the prose SUVFan.

One other thing that bothered me recently was one member from New Hampshire kept posting articles that required the reader to anwer one or more questions in order to read the article. Not something I was fond of doing.

And of course the number one article at the moment is 2014 is the hottest year on record. The pump it up club seems to work in both directions.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:11:49 PM

Thanks SUVFan - looks good. I'll look at it again tomorrow evening after work.

PD - it would be good to put on the programming list to allow the "Last Post" date and time update when there is activity on the "stickie" threads.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 5:11:47 PM

Here's a stab at it, PD, trying to match the tone of the existing guidelines and incorporate a few other concepts you've posted to this thread.

Insert new paragraph:

2. Post only from reputable, up-to-date sources.
Post only dated NEWS stories from major TV, newspaper and radio outlets.
Never post items from blogs, magazines or online only sources.

Renumber, with minor edits:

3. Avoid Pop-Ups or intrusive advertising
Do not post editorials, letters-to-the-editor or other opinion pieces.
Do not post articles requiring registration of any sort for access.
Do not post pimarily political pieces or sources, such as stories about Global Warming or Climate Change.

4. Choose recent articles
Posted articles must be current (not more than 48 hours old) and preferably be unique.
That means if you submit an old story or one that is very similar to one submitted previously, it may be removed.

Add at the end:

For more information, please visit the News Posting Tips topic in the Talk Back To Us category.
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 4:47:51 PM

Speaking of tone, may I suggest you write the updates to Newsville on what's allowed and what isn't in a more informative and positive tone. Members will tend to adhere more positively to those requirements.
In addition several members will reply to a article stating it has "nothing to do with gas prices" when it does indeed meet GB Posting Requirements.
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PD
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:07:11 PM

Perhaps some of you folks could put together something I could paste into the rules (I'm short on time) that has the same tone/requirements that I'm listing here...
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:44:30 PM

Thanks PD.
Now, maybe limit the number of articles any one person can pump in a day?

It will take time before the masses return and realize it isn't just the game of a few "pump my friends only" gang.

You might also add it to the "What's New" page.
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:35:11 AM

PD, a big thank you!
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:08:22 AM

That should help a bunch, PD. I'd noticed very low vote totals this morning and thought something had to be up.

If it hasn't been done yet, I recommend updating the posting guidelines that are available on the article submission page, too.

[Edited by: SUVFan at 10/21/2014 10:11:28 AM EST]
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PD
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:28:23 AM

OK guys, I'm fed up.

New change- and it's going to impact Newsville dramatically.

NO MORE NEWS AT ALL from blogs, or online only websites. Major news outlets only that have a real presence: TV, Radio, Newspaper.

Examples of allowed sources:
NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, FOX, FOX Business, LA Times, WSJ (non subscription), Chicago Tribune, NY Times, NY Post, local newspapers with DISTRIBUTION, major radio stations, local tv stations.

Enough of these posters posting items from less than responsible organizations, or should i say "less than fully vetted" news organizations.

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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 8:05:11 AM

Thanks PD. It is evident that you have been working on it. One of the most noticeable problem makers has not been seen for a while. And the pump it group is talking about which stories get through and which don't and how long the ones they know might not stay up remain up. It will take time before others come back and bother voting or posting stories.

Now, if you could find someone that could take care of the "mudslinging" that even migrated over to posting comments on member pics (could you put in a request to be able to clear comments off pics like we can WBs? - there is a thread in TBTU about it)...

If we could clear inappropriate comments w/out reporting all but the most vial, it would help with overload of mail.

Thanks for all the efforts you have been putting in. Just try and keep a balance is all we ask for - so it is not leaning too far left or right. There are a lot that are tired of the far left and far right drowning out collaboration and moderation.
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PD
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:12:05 PM

pzini- take a deep breath. I'm monitoring newsville and am handing out vacations for posters who I stumble on who warrant a break from posting. That said, I'm not sitting at a computer 24/7 watching offenders, so just relax- I'm watching.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 4:05:43 PM

I don't see any confusion. It's very clear GW articles, pro or con, are rightfully taken down sooner or later.
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pzini
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 9:07:51 AM

I'm really confused. Climate change articles are off-limits, aren't they? And websites with an obvious political agenda are also forbidden to be posted in News, right? So yesterday we have "Climate change alarmists silent on economic damage done by climate change alarmists" from the website "watchdog.org", and it wasn't removed. Again, the article was posted by a repeat offender, who appears to be exempt from posting rules. Seems like arbitrary enforcement of vague posting rules, and a definite double standard, depending on which side of the issue is presented. It looks like, all GasBuddies are equal, but some GasBuddies are more equal than others (apologies to George Orwell).
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 9:04:25 AM

I guess it depends on who posts a Climate Change article, and which viewpoint the article takes. A certain GasBuddy member seems to have immunity, having used up well more than 3 strikes, posting articles like "Obama Emits Enough CO2 For 22 People On Way To UN Climate Summit". The source seems to matter as well. To me, "The Daily Caller" is a right-wing rag, but apparently it is considered a credible source by you, PD? Articles from that site are posted frequently by the aforementioned "teflon" member.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 9:06:53 AM

There are Bar1035, abuse has been reported.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 8:40:27 AM

There are a couple of opporunities today.

BIGOIL - there is an abuse button beside every post. No need to post comments here that I can see.
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BIGOILEATURCRUD
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 8:38:26 PM

But now I have:

Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 12:39:54 PM Ignore dallfo Report Abuse...

while the nation's economy continued to struggle over the last year.

Texas was adding more than 1,000 net new jobs every day,

more than 390,000 for the most recent 12 month period.By contrast, California, which has highly restricted the growth of its own energy production,

has added just 322,000 net new jobs in the last five years combined.In other words...

Republican-controlled Texas' fossil-fuel based economy is adding jobs at an annual rate 506% faster than Democrat-controlled California's alternative-energy based economy.

You get what you vote for.
Vote Republican.



[Edited by: BIGOILEATURCRUD at 9/10/2014 8:39:29 PM EST]
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BIGOILEATURCRUD
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 8:26:12 PM

Good analogy SUVFan!

I did notice some "climate change" in Newsville today.

The term blog is ambiguous and although the article was posted on Forbes Site, the disclaimer stated by Forbes is the give away; not mentioning "Eye-Popping" in the headline.

"Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own."

Same holds true for todays entertainment -

Recognizing The Golden Age Of Texas Oil And Gas While We're In It

But it is PD's candy store and he hasn't pulled either one, nor have I opened either today to view the political drivel.

My editor failed me by posting "new", vice "knew".
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 5:52:43 PM

I know PD has been pulling articles - it is obvious by the complaints and comments of a group of posters ;-)
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 3:09:11 PM

I agree with teenitup and TxJeans that there is a noticeable difference of late.

I checked out the piece linked in BIGOILEATURCRUD's post. It appears to be not from a blog but from a section of Forbes online, verboten in item 4 of the lead post and explained in PDs 9/27/12 post in this thread. In that post, PD also indicates that "recent news is something that is dated, and generally less than 48 hours old." That piece was submitted on 9/9 but is dated 9/4, right on the verge of turning into cheap wine.

[Edited by: SUVFan at 9/10/2014 3:09:51 PM EST]
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 9:37:56 AM

Thank you PD! We know you can't catch all of them (there's one or two again today) but you've certainly made the news forum a better place again!
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 6:13:52 PM

Haven't noticed any changes.

Blogs are still being posted as news...i.e.

Inside The Eye-Popping Deal Nevada Offered To Land Tesla's $5 Billion Gigafactory

I new about the Gas Giveaway, but wasn't aware of the free vacations.

Hope the vacations weren't to Siberia; that would be cold.
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TxJeans
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Message Posted: Sep 9, 2014 7:27:34 AM

Thanks PD - I pretty much gave up on newsville early on, but things have been looking better lately with your input. I had to remove some buds due to WB abuse, but looks like that was cleaned up, but heard some moved on to commenting on peoples pics to let them know that what they couldn't post on WBs. I just don't get why people have to threaten folks for pumping someone not in their clique, or why they expect people to pump based on WHO not WHAT was posted. The drama lately...you would think it was kindergarten.

But again, thanks for stepping in to help. Personally, I like see a variety of articles from both sides of the discussion. Now, if we could remove POSTING points from newsville to get rid of the OK folks, I might actually return to participate in newsville.
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PD
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 11:21:07 PM

Some of those posting continued global warming articles and related have gotten a free vacation.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 7:06:49 AM

We know you're busy PD. Thanks for what you can do.

Just realize we all have biases as do all these other posters.

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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 6:47:31 AM

I think your job would be easier if you just put the two PD blogs up and link to news. Maybe folks would look past the top five and actually find there ARE other news items. Or, take the poster's name off the submission - at least from showing on the front page, or limit the pumps so they have to be selective, or make it available to pump up or down. Personally, I like the idea of rotating the news through or just the blogs and the link to news.

I think a lot of folks have given up on the newsville and just click for points now and don't bother looking beyond the top five. I suspect a lot have also given up on finding and posting news.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 8/27/2014 6:49:05 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 11:42:24 PM

I do my best to catch articles that do not belong. I do have other functions that keep me busy.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 7:20:34 AM

......... like today's article, "Feds aren’t protecting pipelines from cartels, Texas regulator says", which fails on two counts: 1) It is a blog (right in the URL), and, 2) the source is intentionally misrepresented- it is actually from "Fuelfix", not The Houston Chronicle.

or yesterdays article, "Anti-energy activists cause more problems than they solve", an Op-Ed piece.

or Thursday's "Blinded by the glare of green energy — a threat to over 40 million airplane passengers", right off the Opinion page of the Washington Times.

or Wednesday's "Will EPA Kill Texas’ Energy Revolution", which, again, is an opinion piece, misrepresented as from The Houston Chronicle, but actually from Feulfix.

3 strikes?
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 11:15:14 AM

PD- I'm not sure why the article I posted was removed: "Deep Pollution Cuts Needed by 2050 to Limit Global Warming". It was not a blog or opinion piece, was published on a non-political website- Scientific American- and relates to gas prices in the certainly obvious aspect of how restricting carbon-based fuels will definitely impact energy prices over the long term.

Meanwhile, certain members post op-ed articles almost daily, and often post articles blatantly lying about the source, with no rebuke.

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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 9:37:04 AM

We could start with a list of those really good stories from real sites with real facts. :)
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 4:56:59 PM


Excellent question Jayburt. I too would like to hear the answer to that one ;0}
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 4:52:53 PM

Confused how the posts by dallfo are staying up when they link to The Washington Post,a known rightwing rag,and the day before the one linking to the Texas Heritage Foundation piece that was obviously a editorial at best, both against submission requirements for news articles. The bad part is many members have found some really good stories leading to real sites with real facts that never have a chance because of this stuff
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 10:02:08 AM

My attitude about politics infiltrating newsville: The world doesn't need politics infiltrating every issue. And that's why I continue to "clean up" newsville. I'm sick of people on BOTH sides trying to push their agenda on people.

If your article has too much political garbage, it's getting removed. If it's done in a balanced way when necessary, that's fine. Oh, and no matter what side of the aisle, lies or articles that misrepresent the truth or facts will NOT be tolerated and removed.
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 6:03:15 AM


PD 2016
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 2:32:40 PM

I'm not interested in pursuing people who pump others. Since I'll try to keep an eye on articles, if someone posts a biased article and others pump it, it'll get removed anyway. The articles that are left are ones that I deem OK, and I don't have a preference for which ones get pumped more than others. Some people may like to see their name on the front page and get upset, but it's about educating users and keeping them updated with articles, not seeing your own name.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 6:41:55 AM

<<<I continue to lobby for this single site change: the click on any of the top 5 news stories should take you to Newsville, not to the actual story. Increase traffic in Newsville, increase the vote totals, and dilute the power of a voting clique. >>>

I like this idea.

Also, the above by PD needs to be at the top of NEWSVILLE on the Home Page clarifying the rules and here
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 2:26:23 PM

As long as 50 some votes is all it takes to win the day, I don't see the "pump problem" as being the issue. That is, so long as the pumps are coming from different members and not a smaller group of members using alias accounts.

But even if it's the latter, the answer is for more of the "doesers" (a term coined by a buddy for the folks who consistently post, "what does this story have to do with this site", to news articles) to start voting.

I continue to lobby for this single site change: the click on any of the top 5 news stories should take you to Newsville, not to the actual story. Increase traffic in Newsville, increase the vote totals, and dilute the power of a voting clique.
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 7:20:47 AM

Yeah bar...not only posting on the mods boards asking to pump their articles but also posting against the rules. Even when apparently coming off a posting ban.

Next to the pump up should be a pump down and a REPORT.

And, if you read white boards you can find them asking others to pump up (I have been solicited in the past) feuds, and people responding back that they pump based on the ARTICLE not their clique.

This will be a full time job for PD unless they change the process. I also would not be surprised if some of them have duplicate IDs.

[Edited by: TxJeans at 8/14/2014 7:25:47 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2014 9:24:32 PM

What is really funny (at least to me) is that the pump buddies are posting on PD's whiteboard that they pumped him and even asking that he pump articles. My thanks to PD for getting Newsville cleaned up again.
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 7:28:25 PM

Hey PD, I see some of the Pump Friends articles group had their WB posting curtailed (good because they were quite annoying at times asking others to pump their articles). But, it looks like the rest of the clique will just pick it up and post on WBs for them.

Maybe a limit to the number of articles anyone can pump in a 24 hour period, so that they have to use their pumps more judiciously?

I know many of us have been approached out of the blue on our white boards to pump an article because of WHO posted it rather than content.
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PD
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 10:27:22 AM

teenitup,

Please don't post articles here that don't meet rules. I'm on it.

Also, the Keystone XL pipeline article was quite interesting and written by a more credible source (AP) than some of the other articles, so I allowed it to stay.
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 9:10:41 AM

24
votes
Keystone XL could create 4 times more global warming than previous estimates
AP -- WASHINGTON — The much-debated Keystone XL pipeline could produce four times more global-warming pollution than the State Department calculated earlier this year, a new study concludes.

The U.S. estimates didn’t take into account that the added oil from the pipeline would drop prices by about $3 a barrel, spurring consumption that would create more pollution, the researchers said.

Read the Full Article

Submitted Yesterday By: DirtDauber Back To News
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 7:17:45 PM

Thank you!
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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 11:22:31 AM

Several articles removed today.
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Message Posted: Aug 10, 2014 12:21:09 AM

Very glad your back PD, and hope everything is well. It has been disturbing lately with all the news items being posted that go to links that are against Gasbuddy Submission Requirements, especially those listed in item 2)..and the ones you've listed here. It's to bad some have to make it a political forum, linking to either rightwing OR leftwing sites, as we should be spared from seeing either in "News" that hits the Home page.
The current 'pump it'up club makes it so that some very good stories from our members never get seen on the home page.

[Edited by: Jayburt at 8/10/2014 12:21:37 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2014 10:37:49 PM

Back from some time off- down to business:

I must make one point VERY clear: do NOT post garbage. Don't do it to prove a point, don't do it because you can, just don't do it. It takes time away from removing and dealing with real issues. We're adults here, yes the problem is annoying, but adding to the problem does not help it go away. If you do, expect harsher action than those posting (who generally are less aware of the etiquette in newsville).
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2014 10:35:07 PM

Thanks PD.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2014 2:22:45 PM

Thank you PD!

It will be good to read real on topic news of interest, not opinion and endless climate talk.
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:26:57 AM

Maddog- There's no reason not to post MSNBC if it's not an opinion article. Same with Fox. Everyone has an agenda, people should be able to judge that for themselves. If it's too crazy or not factual (from ANY outlet) I reserve the right to delete it. I have little patience for either side of the line spinning issues or stories.
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:11:36 AM

Guys, I'm starting to grow tired again of climate change/weather/other issues besides gas/oil prices, I'm going to start removing posting ability if people aren't following. And don't think for one moment because someone else is doing it and not getting caught that you won't. I don't have patience for people who are posting in this thread but continue to post deliberately bad articles.

Thanks :)
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