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superman1AZ

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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2014 6:10:22 PM

Is it best to use the major brands when buying tires, like Goodyear and Goodrich? Or do you think most tire brands are comparable and the issue is price? In other words, High cost equals high quality, or not really?
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hoopitup2000
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 6:47:55 AM

When shopping, treadlife rating is where I start.
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Quick68
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 9:15:40 PM

A lot of tires brands are made by the same company. What ever tire you buy the ratings on the tire are only good for the first 30% of wear. The other 70% of the tire ratings mean nothing. More money for a tire does not mean you will get a better tire.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 4:28:31 PM

"Learn to read the DOT code/serial number on the sidewall of your tire."

That will tell me where my tires were made, but doesn't help when shopping for new tires. Even if the local tire store would let you look at the actual tires and you could find out where they were produced, there's nothing to cross-reference it with to tell you whether it's good, bad or doesn't matter.

I suspect it really doesn't matter anyway; the compounds, processes, and molds used will be the same for the same model of tire, regardless of where it's produced.
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mybigtruck
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 1:08:03 PM

High $$ doesn't necessarily mean high quality although there might be some truth to it because they don't have to skimp as much to maintain their profit margins.

I stick with the major brands and buy something below the 'top of the line'. There's not much difference in everyday driving to know the difference, esp if I'm not racing
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 11:06:15 AM

Learn to read the DOT code/serial number on the sidewall of your tire. Part of the code indicates *exactly* what plant produced the tire. You will be surprised at how many name brand tires are not built in a plant bearing the same name.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 9:51:42 AM

"I will never allow Goodyear tires on my car. Period."

Yeah, we knew that from the first time you posted it. Care to elaborate as to why? Otherwise, it's just spouting an unsupported personal bias that doesn't really add to the discussion or help anybody's decision-making ability.
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 1:16:06 AM

I will never allow Goodyear tires on my car. Period.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 7:15:36 PM

"My experience has taught me that this depends on the specific tire."

My experience and what I've read tells me the same. It seems you have to look at particular models to pick the best for your driving conditions.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 6:59:32 PM

"good quality Hancook"

I assume you mean Hankook? They make some good ones and some bad ones. I had some of the bad ones one my minivan when we bought it. They wore really unevenly. I thought the van needed an alignment, but it was ok and I haven't had the problem with the new tires.

I was fairly impressed with the new Cooper Discover HTP tires when I drove on ice with them the first time this weekend. Tire Rack's survey results were right on.
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carinthuist
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 6:40:46 PM

good quality Hancook
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bcressy
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 2:02:43 PM

My experience has taught me that this depends on the specific tire. I burned through a set of Bridgestone Potenzas a few years ago in approx. 26,000 miles - they should have gone 50k or so. Only 13-15,000 of those miles were in stop and go, urban driving.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:56:33 AM

"I will never allow Goodyear tires on my car. Period."

Then you're eliminating some of the best options for all-season passenger tires. Goodyear tires hold the top 2 spots in Tire Rack's survey in that category. I'm not saying all of Goodyear's tires are the best, or even good. All tire brands have made some "dogs", but most have made some standout performers also. By not considering a particular brand, you may be eliminating some of your best options.
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ScottAdams5
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 6:07:11 AM

I will never allow Goodyear tires on my car. Period.
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GLM4205
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 5:40:15 AM

Use Michelin tires.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 8:58:32 PM

yes
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goldmonk
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 11:33:48 AM

use Michelin tires
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 9:33:20 AM

QUOTE One word: Kuhmo


Did you mean Kumho
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 8:59:12 AM

One word: Kuhmo
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 7:19:13 AM

We like and use Michelin tires...........
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 7:04:35 AM

We use Michelin tires for the winter....Michelin Ice.....

We also use Michelin tires is the summer...Michelin all season radials...
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:54:38 AM

"After how many miles does one need to change their tires?"

It's time to replace tires when they no longer do their job, either because of damage or wear. Tires are considered "bald" when the tread reaches 2/32", but for those who drive in heavy rain or light snow, they should be replaced well before that. In those conditions, anything below 5/32" will likely cause hydroplaning or sliding.

How many miles it takes to get there varies widely, you need to check your tires for air pressure, deformities, uneven tread wear, and remaining tread on a regular basis.
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redfish67
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:02:30 AM

you have to do your due diligence and check them out. high cost doesn't mean the best tire.
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TX_HOU
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 9:51:25 AM

After how many miles does one need to change their tires?
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eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 8:25:27 AM

I bought Nokian snow tires and am happy with them.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 6:48:24 AM

We use Michelin tires for the winter....Michelin Ice.....

We also use Michelin tires is the summer...Michelin all season radials...
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2014 9:43:28 AM

Buying tires based solely on the name is at best a gamble with a big chunk of money. All tire companies have made at least a few models that were complete junk.

With hundreds of dollars and your safety on the line, I think it's wise to do the research and dig into what's the best tire for the conditions you're going to be driving in. More expensive doesn't mean better, a name you recognize doesn't always mean good quality, and a brand you don't recognize doesn't necessarily mean poor quality.
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2014 7:36:55 AM

We use Michelin tires for all season
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contiki
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2014 7:34:32 AM

We use Michelin tires for the winter....Michelin Ice.....

We also use Michelin tires is the summer...Michelin all season radials...
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2014 1:46:41 AM

If you refer to the owners manual you put a tire on that is partial to the vehicles manufacturers intrests.
Ford would recomend firestones 99% of the time, because they are in bed with each other, not because they make the best tires.
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2014 12:40:48 AM

previous post ?
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2014 12:04:00 AM

Quote :::::As for the sainted Mr. Reagan, what did ever really do? Very little in fact. ::::


#1. Literally 2 minutes after Reagan was sworn in, the ayatollah released the US embassy hostages. Tehran was terrified of Reagan. The ayatollah had no intention of screwing around with a tough guy. They knew Reagan was not a powder puff like the liberal Carter.

#2. In partnership with the Pope, Thatcher, and Walensa, Reagan collapsed European socialism, (the darling of the American left) which led to the release from bondage of all of Eastern Europe. Millions of people freed.

#3. Reagan collapsed the old Soviet Union and welcomed the newly liberated states and peoples to the world.
#4. Following the disastrous economic policies of the thoroughly inept liberal Carter, Reagan restored the American economy to its natural powerhouse state. A legacy which endured until the Obama administration.

#5 Restored a sense of class, elegance, and style to the White House. Instead of having a ridiculous clown hillbilly, the US now had a president with a proper sense of decorum and style fitting the office. For example, a Reagan state dinner was a first class formal affair, not a pig roast in farmer jeans like Carter's.


#6 Rebuilt the military after the decay and destruction of Carter's ineptitude.
#7 Overhauled the US tax system making it simpler, fairer, and much more efficient. Regrettably, all his good work is being undone by the nitwits now setting policy (by executive order) in the White House.

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waynester1955
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 11:13:31 PM

Michelin for winter and BF Goodrich all season.
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carinthuist
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 9:43:50 PM

great Hancook

[Edited by: carinthuist at 4/4/2014 9:44:50 PM EST]
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 5:06:18 PM

HOTROD10 writes: I'm not a Republican, nor any fan of either of the Presidents' Bush. The TARP scheme and the "stimulus" that came later, were both very detrimental to the economy, as was the loose policy regarding mortgages.

Democrats and Republicans have been dismantling the economy that Reagan built piece by piece ever since he left office.

How did we get off on this side track, anyway? We were supposed to be discussing tires.
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You may not call yourself a Republican but you are what you vote and you, like HEMOND have probably never voted for a Democrat at the state or national level. I'd love to be wrong on this.

As for the sainted Mr. Reagan, what did ever really do? Very little in fact. He did reduce income tax rates but he also raised taxes as well. Mr. Reagan gets a lot more credit than he deserves.

As for how we got started, HEMOND blessed us with this opinion: If people are indeed driving less, its because of this ruined Obama economy where no one has a job (except illegal border jumpers). You don't put on many miles when home while unemployed.

I couldn't let this silliness pass unchallenged. I should have.

Yes, let's get back on the tire subject. I'm tired of politics.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 4:52:18 PM

HEMOND writes: Now you are sashaying in a new direction. I pointed out the recent economic disaster was due to the democratic policy of subprime mortgages. A policy forced upon the banks by democratic power brokers in order to get votes. We had a banking crash not a Wall Street crash. Yes stocks plunged briefly in reaction to the democrat's mess, but it recovered and is now at record heights. Meanwhile housing remains a mess. Not to mention health care.

And BTW, I'm not a Republican.
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I think you're a bit confused. The "democratic" policy of subprime mortgages flourished during the Bush administration. If there's any "sashaying" it your conspiracy theory that the democratic power brokers forced policies on the banks that lead to the banking crisis. The Republicans under Mr. Bush were in charge for eight years and it was their job to reverse a bad policy if they thought it was a bad policy. They didn't. You keep wanting to forget that.

Moreover Republicans cater to Big Business and the banks initially made huge profits from the risky loans they made because they sold these loans as quickly as possible. The banks loved this policy! It was only when defaults started occurring in numbers while they were holding the paper on all these bad loans that they got into trouble.

And as for your parting statement that you're not a Republican, puleeezze!

You can call yourself a Confederate, a libertarian (a generic Republican) or a Know Nothing, it doesn't matter. You are what you vote and I don't see you ever supporting any Democrats for state or national office.

Republicans don't need facts, they've got beliefs.
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 11:14:08 AM

Democrats and Republicans are the same side of the same coin , just a illusion of choice.
Ask any freemason if he bothers to vote in a national election , if he's honest you might be surprised at his answer.

TIRES : are round and go round , but they also go flat and don't go far ......flat that is .....

[Edited by: CactusBobs at 4/4/2014 11:18:58 AM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 10:50:39 AM

"These posts are simply proof that the Republicans will do anything possible to avoid any responsibility for what's happened."

I'm not a Republican, nor any fan of either of the Presidents' Bush. The TARP scheme and the "stimulus" that came later, were both very detrimental to the economy, as was the loose policy regarding mortgages.

Democrats and Republicans have been dismantling the economy that Reagan built piece by piece ever since he left office.

How did we get off on this side track, anyway? We were supposed to be discussing tires.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 8:37:56 PM

""""""A typical Republican memory. The policy you refer to was in effect for all 8 years of Mr. Bush's administration. He had the votes to change it but did nothing."""""

Now we here are really confused. A minute ago you stated "You seem to forget about the Wall St crash and that the economy was in free fall when he left office."


Now you are sashaying in a new direction. I pointed out the recent economic disaster was due to the democratic policy of subprime mortgages. A policy forced upon the banks by democratic power brokers in order to get votes. We had a banking crash not a Wall Street crash. Yes stocks plunged briefly in reaction to the democrat's mess, but it recovered and is now at record heights. Meanwhile housing remains a mess. Not to mention health care.

And BTW, I'm not a Republican.


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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 7:36:47 PM

HOTROD10 writes: Yep, it really started tanking in October of 2008, right about the time it became obvious Obama was going to win the election. Coincidence? Maybe, or maybe not.
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Definitely not. You're memory is faulty. The economy tanked because teaser loan rates expired and people who took these bad loans, didn't have the money to meet the higher house payments. When defaults started to rise, banks were left with toxic assets that they couldn't sell. The prospect of Mr. Obama's election had nothing to do with this.

These posts are simply proof that the Republicans will do anything possible to avoid any responsibility for what's happened.

[Edited by: Houckster at 4/3/2014 7:38:02 PM EST]
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 7:33:05 PM

HEMOND writes: What I remember was any nit wit could walk into a bank and get a mortgage. No need to have any income, a job, or credit. What I remember is the democrat policies of mortgage lending forced on the banks by Barney Frank. Policies which were irresponsible and led to the US economic collapse.
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A typical Republican memory. The policy you refer to was in effect for all 8 years of Mr. Bush's administration. He had the votes to change it but did nothing.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 5:31:28 PM

"You seem to forget about the Wall St crash and that the economy was in free fall when he left office."

Yep, it really started tanking in October of 2008, right about the time it became obvious Obama was going to win the election. Coincidence? Maybe, or maybe not.

Reagan inherited a similar situation and turned it around in 3 years.

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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 1:45:06 PM

:::::: You seem to forget about the Wall St crash and that the economy was in free fall when he left office. Of course, all that's now Mr. Obama's fault as any good Republican will tell you.::::;


What I remember was any nit wit could walk into a bank and get a mortgage. No need to have any income, a job, or credit. What I remember is the democrat policies of mortgage lending forced on the banks by Barney Frank. Policies which were irresponsible and led to the US economic collapse.

What I remember is Economics 101, which teaches "don't lend money to bust outs" Barney Frank and friends never attended that class. Our current economy is a result.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 1:37:46 PM

Still not seeing your point. About the only people working are the criminals (better known as freshly minted Democrat voters) that Obama, Reid,and Pelosi welcomes in over the border.

I remember well the Bush years, and I thank him and his policies for making my life a whole lot better. I never made so much money as when Bush was in office.

During his administration the US was a place of affluence and prestige. A place where the US was respected on the world stage. Where a president doesn't bow to foreign kings. A place where you could succeed without a Obamaphone, welfare, food stamps, government healthcare, or public assistance.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 11:28:31 AM

HEMOND writes: QUOTE::::::I take it that you are unemployed or you're an illegal border jumper? Which is it?

Hmmm, I'll say "none of the above". YOur choices are puzzling. ANd are non sequiturs. I'm self employed and when visiting countries outside the USA, I walk in the front door legally.
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My choices aren't puzzling if you read your post: . . . its because of this ruined Obama economy where no one has a job (except illegal border jumpers).

No one has a job except illegal border jumpers. You divided the entire population into two groups. Unemployed and border jumper. I just asked which group you were in. No non sequiturs were used in the making of this post.

As for the Bush years, few people would agree with you. You seem to forget about the Wall St crash and that the economy was in free fall when he left office. Of course, all that's now Mr. Obama's fault as any good Republican will tell you.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:59:00 AM

"Can you read? Use what the car manufacturer suggests. Read your owner's manual."

I've never seen an owner's manual make suggestions on a tire brand, and if it did, I wouldn't trust the advice anyway.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 4:52:50 AM

Can you read? Use what the car manufacturer suggests. Read your owner's manual.
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:34:03 PM

QUOTE::::::I take it that you are unemployed or you're an illegal border jumper? Which is it?

Hmmm, I'll say "none of the above". YOur choices are puzzling. ANd are non sequiturs. I'm self employed and when visiting countries outside the USA, I walk in the front door legally.




QUOTE :::::Oh for the days of the Bush administration! Gosh those guys could really run an economy.::::


I'll second that. Most Americans would agree with you. During the Bush Administration I made good money without even trying. Things were booming then. I learned on the job, with little experience and it was pretty easy. Miss those times. The booming Bush economy was fun, exhilerating, and rewarding. The exact opposite of the current mess our country is in.

But hope springs eternal. I'm going on an exploratory mission in July to North Dakota to reconnoiter the situation there.
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 5:39:55 PM

HEMOND writes: I would take this with a grain of salt. If people are indeed driving less, its because of this ruined Obama economy where no one has a job (except illegal border jumpers). You don't put on many miles when home while unemployed.
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I take it that you are unemployed or you're an illegal border jumper? Which is it?

Oh for the days of the Bush administration! Gosh those guys could really run an economy.
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2014 3:30:33 PM

:::::: With people driving fewer miles these days tires will obviously last longer timewise ::::


I would take this with a grain of salt. If people are indeed driving less, its because of this ruined Obama economy where no one has a job (except illegal border jumpers). You don't put on many miles when home while unemployed.



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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2014 1:20:53 PM

FARMTECH writes: I know a number of highly-placed people in the tire industry with insider knowledge -- from manufacturers, Board Members to Sales Reps. Because of many regulations -- EPA and greenies -- placed on the tire industry and the ever increasing cost of the petrochemicals to make them, tires are now designed to LAST 4 to 5 years. All those "in the know" say to replace your tires every 4 to 5 years, REGARDLESS of the mileage. They will start to rot, dry rot, deteriorate and have the INCREASED likelihood of "internal component failure".
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I'd take this with a grain of salt. The sources FARMTECH refers to are people with a vested interest in selling tires. With people driving fewer miles these days tires will obviously last longer timewise and I would not rule out the possibility that these tire industry sources are not above originating a few myths to improve their profits.

My tires are 10 years old and look fine. I keep them dressed with a full-spectrum UV protectant and keep them properly inflated. I drive conservatively and I am good at avoiding road hazards. They'll be fine. The last thing we need to do is start throwing away tires before their time.

[Edited by: Houckster at 3/31/2014 1:23:06 PM EST]
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