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superman1AZ

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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2014 6:04:20 PM

Frequently we see speeders/lane changers driving recklessly in heavy freeway traffic. It is both dangerous and rude.(plus illegal). Do you usually avoid these freeway heroes, or do you try to "close the gap" to prevent them from narrowly cutting in? Also, do you use them as "pigeons", to drive faster, or stay away?
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Awing1
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 8:59:01 AM

From my experience, you should avoid them and don't be angry or don't let them be angry. It will end up with accident and you might be injured or killed.
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WEPSMAN
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 8:30:12 AM

I just let them go. Karma will eventually get them. I do not want to be around when it does.
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cv
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 5:22:39 AM

I see them all the time and just ignore their antics.
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deant99
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 9:13:08 PM

it's even more fun when you pull up beside them and lift your arm to look at your watch
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PaylessKY
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 10:06:51 AM

How many times have car speed past you, only to pull up behind them at traffic light off the exit?
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sirreal1984
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 1:22:55 PM

I find the police themselves to be some of the biggest speeders and tailgaters on the roads.
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RonV42
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 11:40:10 AM

I stay away. I saw a three lane slider here in Illinois where he nosed the car right into the barrier right after coming down the ramp doing about 75 MPH.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2014 11:02:19 AM

HEMOND QUOTES ME: QUOTE ::::The greater the speed differential, the greater the pace of change and most drivers are limited in being able to monitor fast-changing situations.::;

No idea what this is supposed to mean. But whatever it means, if you can't monitor 'fast changing situations', then get off the road.
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This is a ridiculous comment. The roads are for all of us and it is the state that determines whether one is entitled to use the roads. The state also defines what is proper driving behavior and if you're not willing to do that, YOU should get off the road. And before you reject an argument you should understand what it is.
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HEMOND QUOTES ME: QUOTE ::::one has to ask what justification one has for going so fast. Nothing anyone does is important enough to endanger people's lives and property by going in excess of the speed limit. ::;

Then perhaps you agree that the Autobahn should be abolished. What justification do German drivers have for going 200mph?

ME: I don't give a darn what the Germans do. The autobahn issue is totally irrelevant to the American road. If you want to drive like they do on the autobahn, go there.
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HEMOND QUOTES ME: QUOTE ::::Our interstates were NOT designed for high speeds.:::

And yet the Autobahn, which is essentially equivalent to I-75 in design, is not designed for 200mph speeds?

ME: Actually the autobahn was designed differently from American expressways but that's not really important. If you want to drive 200 MPH, go to Germany. Otherwise you should drive how you're expected to drive here.
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HEMOND QUOTES ME: QUOTE ::::And for those who "enjoy a bit of speed", sorry, the highway is not a playground.::;

Au contraire, those going 80,90, 100mph are the safest drivers. Those travelling at such speeds are on high alert, focused, intent. They are not just lollygagging along,playing, texting or phone chatting like those obeying the limit often do. They are watching simultaneously in all directions.(including overhead for those 'copters you mentioned earlier). They are listening to every nuance of their car for funny noises. They are watching for wildlife.

Nope, you are safest surrounded by a bunch of folk doing 100mph who are paying 100% attention, than with some drunks or texters doing 55 with cruise control on.

ME: This whole argument is nothing but silliness and fantasizing. No one should be texting or drunk but they do it and they do it probably while doing 80-90 as well. Irresponsible behavior doesn't stop at speeding or texting. I repeat, there is NO justification for driving irresponsibly. Responsible driving means observing the rules of the road.

Frankly, it's hard for me to believe you're serious about all this.
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krazkar
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 11:32:29 PM

Hemond, I know that the faster I drive, the more alert I am. More focused on the road than anything else.

Here in Canada, Highway speed limits are 100-110 km/h. (62-68 mph) That is it. 68 mph is the fastest of any highway. I know when I have been to the states, Many parts of Utah now have 80 mph sections of the Interstate. 75 in most areas. It sucks going that speed and as soon as I cross into Alberta, I have to slow down so much.
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Philo_Gray
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 8:08:50 PM

I am OK if someone wants to go slower, just stay out of the way of someone who wants to go faster. Someone may have an emergency and trying to get to a hospital. stay out of the way.
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 6:48:20 PM

I'm more scared of the idiots who drive on the shoulder of the road to pass a slower car
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Michael_W_
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 5:17:05 PM

It's their ticket an And lawsuit but not as annoyed if they use their Blinkers.
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magpie2013
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 5:03:25 PM

I will close the gap, they cause more accidents than anyone thinks. They usually have a cell phone in their hands too, but mostly I try to stay away.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 1:18:39 PM

QUOTE ::::First of all, our drivers are not used to the large speed differentials that are seen in Europe.:::

Germany is the only European country with unlimited speeds. All the rest have similar limits as in the US. Italian/French/Swiss drivers are no more used to differentials than Ohioans. Unless they cross over into Germany.


QUOTE ::::The greater the speed differential, the greater the pace of change and most drivers are limited in being able to monitor fast-changing situations.::;


No idea what this is supposed to mean. But whatever it means, if you can't monitor 'fast changing situations', then get off the road.


QUOTE ::::one has to ask what justification one has for going so fast. Nothing anyone does is important enough to endanger people's lives and property by going in excess of the speed limit. ::;
Then perhaps you agree that the Autobahn should be abolished. What justification do German drivers have for going 200mph?

QUOTE ::::Our interstates were NOT designed for high speeds.:::
And yet the Autobahn, which is essentially equivalent to I-75 in design, is not designed for 200mph speeds?

QUOTE ::::And for those who "enjoy a bit of speed", sorry, the highway is not a playground.::;
Au contraire, those going 80,90, 100mph are the safest drivers. Those travelling at such speeds are on high alert, focused, intent. They are not just lollygagging along,playing, texting or phone chatting like those obeying the limit often do. They are watching simultaneously in all directions.(including overhead for those 'copters you mentioned earlier). They are listening to every nuance of their car for funny noises. They are watching for wildlife.

Nope, you are safest surrounded by a bunch of folk doing 100mph who are paying 100% attention, than with some drunks or texters doing 55 with cruise control on.









[Edited by: Hemond at 2/20/2014 1:20:36 PM EST]
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 10:17:21 AM

HEMOND writes: Why can't it also be safe to go 80 mph on your basic interstate here in the US? Why is it illegal? 80mph is nothing on the Autobahn , but its probably arrest time and jail time if you get caught doing 80 here.
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First of all, our drivers are not used to the large speed differentials that are seen in Europe. That is probably the reason the KRAZKAR sees more lane discipline. It is probable that when people know there will be people driving at these outrageous speeds, they won't get in the fast lane in the first place. It should also be pointed out that not all of the autobahn is free of speed limits. Near urban centers, they have speed limits like everyone else.

Secondly, there is the question of monitoring traffic behind you. The greater the speed differential, the greater the pace of change and most drivers are limited in being able to monitor fast-changing situations.

Thirdly, one has to ask what justification one has for going so fast. Nothing anyone does is important enough to endanger people's lives and property by going in excess of the speed limit. Traffic engineers have imposed speed limits for a reason and they should be observed. Our interstates were NOT designed for high speeds.

If someone is in a hurry, they should start driving to their destination sooner. And for those who "enjoy a bit of speed", sorry, the highway is not a playground. If you want a bit of speed, go to the drag strip or a sanctioned road course and get your jollies in a way that doesn't endanger others.

[Edited by: Houckster at 2/20/2014 10:20:51 AM EST]
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Boyrr
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 7:32:35 AM

Stay away from the, they are sooner or later crash.
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cv
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2014 6:58:11 AM

I avoid them, sooner or later they are likely to cause a wreck.
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CentaurChiron
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 9:38:58 PM

I don't mind someone driving fast. I let them pass. Courtesy will always spare us conficts

[Edited by: CentaurChiron at 2/18/2014 9:39:44 PM EST]
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poetdog73
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 7:38:18 PM

I try to stay out of their way they are nuts!!!!!!!
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 4:27:04 PM

Avoid, because its pretty much routine anywhere any speed. If you can see them beforehand that is to your advantage, its the break-outs from the slow pace lane that gets the adrenaline flowing.... Playing games with those Zummies costs more fuel and costly incidents.
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Fredelin
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 2:05:26 PM

Hello dear host.
The tactics you offer are dangerous and more likely to make other drivers mad. If slow drivers would keep to the far right lane, driving would become an enjoyable experience for those of us who enjoy a bit of speed or are truly in a hurry. In a nutshell, show drivers, get out of the way!
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Bowlerman10
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 10:27:53 AM

Depends on how Im feeling that day
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2014 12:06:01 AM

Undoubtedly there is more lane discipline. But the question I have is since it is legal to go 200 mph (or more, gulp) on the Autobahn, presumably it is safe.

Why can't it also be safe to go 80 mph on your basic interstate here in the US? Why is it illegal? 80mph is nothing on the Autobahn , but its probably arrest time and jail time if you get caught doing 80 here.

The Autobahn is no different than an interstate here. The governing traffic laws here are at best arbitrary. Designed to boost revenue not safety. If 80 was unsafe, then there would be daily slaughter on the Autobahn.


[Edited by: Hemond at 2/18/2014 12:07:02 AM EST]
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krazkar
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 11:08:18 PM

I haven't been on the Autobahn for about 18 years, but I know when I was on it, I saw much more lane discipline then i have ever seen in the States or here in Canada.

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dieselpower2014
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2014 7:59:46 PM

I close the gap sometimes
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 1:34:05 PM

::::::I support whatever legal steps it takes to keep the highways safe.
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What is your opinion of the Autobahn? Where you have a highway identical to interstate 75, where 200mph Maseratis whoosh past in the next lane to garden variety Fiats barely able to reach 70?

It is quite legal of course. But is it safe? Remember the Autobahn is not some mythological highway where the surface is perfect and all the drivers are expert. The AB is pretty much the same as any US interstate. With one exception. If your car can reach 200mph or more you are legal.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 1:22:54 PM

QUOTE :::;I've never seen the Bonnie and Clyde movie.
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Well, maybe not, but certainly you know all about them. They are in the Pantheon of American criminals. Along with Jesse James, Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, John Gotti, and Whitey Bolger.

The 1967 film was Fay Dunaway's breakout role and turned both her and Warren Beatty into superstars.

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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 12:08:55 PM

HEMOND writes: Cops put up road blocks for desperadoes, not your garden variety motorist going over the speed limit. If a cop calls for a road block, there better have been a bank robbery, else that copper is going to get his butt roasted back at the precinct house.
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No individual cop has the authority to set up a roadblock and I did not mean that in my post. If they can't handle the problem by themselves, they can radio in the problem and a decision is made as to what to do. In Virginia, they use helicopters to monitor traffic and coordinate intercepts for speeders.

I support whatever legal steps it takes to keep the highways safe.

I've never seen the Bonnie and Clyde movie.

[Edited by: Houckster at 2/13/2014 12:08:32 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2014 10:41:08 AM

I hate pigeons, they leave droppings everywhere
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 9:55:58 AM

QUOTE ::::One police officer can't but he/she's got a radio and they can block the lanes ahead. Whatever it takes, I have no sympathy for people who wantonly break the law and endanger other people's lives.:::;


You've been watching "Bonnie and Clyde" I see. Cops put up road blocks for desperadoes, not your garden variety motorist going over the speed limit. If a cop calls for a road block, there better have been a bank robbery, else that copper is going to get his butt roasted back at the precinct house.

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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2014 9:50:24 AM

QUOTE:::::My interpretation was based on your original post that contained the phrase: "When I see one of these drivers willing to put his butt out there first to be caught by radar cops, I tuck right in behind.":::;


Corrrect, you tuck in behind. YOu don't tailgate. If you are going to have fun driving 90mph behind some decoy pigeon you don't throw basic driving practices out the window too. In this case "tucking in behind" means, as always, maintaining a rational following distance.

[Edited by: Hemond at 2/12/2014 9:49:45 AM EST]
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jimmy544
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 1:38:44 PM

Lately I usually try to drive 70 in a 65, 70 ina 70 and 72 or so in a 75. Last spring we were in Texas and I drove about 75 in the 80 mph speed limit on I-10. Gas mileage was noticeably less at 75 than at 70
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 10:10:54 AM

HEMOND writes (ticketing multiple cars): Except no cop is going to do that. The cop is 99% chance going to radar the lead pigeon. In any case most of the time there is a conga line of cars going 90mph in the high speed lane following the pigeon. Just how is smoky going to pull over 10 or 20 cars?
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One police officer can't but he/she's got a radio and they can block the lanes ahead. Whatever it takes, I have no sympathy for people who wantonly break the law and endanger other people's lives.

HEMOND writes: One more thing, you don't 'closely follow'. You let the pigeon hang out there, maybe 10 or 20 car lengths. Let him run the interference while you sit safely invisible in the pocket.

My interpretation was based on your original post that contained the phrase: "When I see one of these drivers willing to put his butt out there first to be caught by radar cops, I tuck right in behind."
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 10:08:17 AM

I see more iditos going slow in the passing lane. That's the real problem. The left lane is for passing, not driving Ms. Daisy.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 10:02:52 AM

One of the reasons that the feds are going to promote more safety equipment on cars is because of people who endanger other people with their irresponsible driving. These safety devices will override driver input if there is insufficient clearance for a safe lane change. In my book, it can't come too soon.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 9:14:02 AM

They are under educated people. They are the root cause of the rush hour congestion. They just don't know it...
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 8:31:28 AM

give 'em a wide berth
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 5:33:59 AM

They should be arrested, for reckless driving.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 5:17:46 AM

I am a professional CDL driver and I do not play games with anyone on the highway.
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dieselpower2014
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 12:50:25 AM

sometimes I close the gap when I see them coming.
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2014 12:26:43 AM

I call them rabbits they draw the radar traps
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2014 11:45:36 PM

i avoid them
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2014 7:02:14 AM

It's best to just stay out of the way of crazy drivers.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2014 9:44:40 PM

:::::As for a car closely following a high speed pigeon, if I were a cop, I'd pull them both over and ticket the heck out of them.::::


Except no cop is going to do that. The cop is 99% chance going to radar the lead pigeon. In any case most of the time there is a conga line of cars going 90mph in the high speed lane following the pigeon. Just how is smoky going to pull over 10 or 20 cars?

One more thing, you don't 'closely follow'. You let the pigeon hang out there, maybe 10 or 20 car lengths. Let him run the interference while you sit safely invisible in the pocket.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2014 9:14:17 PM

The federal government is in the process of proposing that new cars be equipped with more safety electronics. These electronics will override driver input that could lead to dangerous conditions. I'm all for it. The less impact morons have on highway safety, the better.

As for a car closely following a high speed pigeon, if I were a cop, I'd pull them both over and ticket the heck out of them.
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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2014 8:24:39 PM

I look for a rabbit not pigeon.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2014 8:12:46 PM

I always look for a "pigeon" as you put it. I like to go fast but hate appearing before a judge, heyheyhey.


When I see one of these drivers willing to put his butt out there first to be caught by radar cops, I tuck right in behind. I then get to go fast (sometimes really fast) while the first guy acts as the pigeon.
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