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wackiness

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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 11:45:09 PM

The Feds have collected $0.20 a gallon for 20 years. Now that most of us drive vehicles that get more than 12 mpg it is being considered to jack up the tax.
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2013 5:32:09 PM

How would you pay for road work?
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 3:48:50 PM

WACKINESS writes: The Feds have collected $0.20 a gallon for 20 years. Now that most of us drive vehicles that get more than 12 mpg it is being considered to jack up the tax.

GRUMPYCAT writes: Thats right wackiness, we are sheeple who exist only to feed the government.
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How dare the government expect us to pay for the highway services we receive, that's a liberal concept. What we need is some solid conservatives to deny that there's a problem in the first place and to whine about how oppressed we are.

[Edited by: Houckster at 11/15/2013 3:48:36 PM EST]
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 1:44:27 PM

Thats right wackiness, we are sheeple who exist only to feed the government.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 12:08:20 PM

DENNIS783 writes: the government should be looking to reduce the taxes
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The Highway Trust Fund is nearly insolvent and DENNIS783 wants to reduce the tax that supplies the fund. That's gonna help a lot.
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 8:07:35 AM

the government should be looking to reduce the taxes
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 11:29:14 PM

CAMRY05 writes: "What are they going to do with the extra money?" That's probably what we should be asking ourselves as the tax payer
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The additional money will go towards reducing the revenue shortfall and saving the Highway Trust Fund that is nearly insolvent. If you have pictures of government bureaucrats diving into piles of money like Uncle Scrooge, think again.
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Camry05
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 11:41:41 PM

"What are they going to do with the extra money?" That's probably what we should be asking ourselves as the tax payer
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2013 12:15:26 PM

FORRESJ writes: Home prices will drop further and states will see a decrease in property tax revenues. States will fall deeper into debt. Cities taxes will increase to pay for increase public utilities usage (garbage, snow removal, sewer, water, etc.)
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The impact on the average driver should not be more than a few dollars a year and obviously not enough to cause any of the above things. As I've noted, better roads will probably result in a net decrease in transportation expense. Remember, this is a REPLACEMENT tax, not an additional one.
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forresj
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2013 12:09:30 PM

If there's a mileage tax, you'll probably see more people move out of the suburbs and into the cites. People will reduce or stop driving and use public transportation more.

Home prices will drop further and states will see a decrease in property tax revenues. States will fall deeper into debt. Cities taxes will increase to pay for increase public utilities usage (garbage, snow removal, sewer, water, etc.)

How much will a mileage tax affect these factors? Maybe a little or maybe alot. Who knows.

[Edited by: forresj at 10/28/2013 12:14:06 PM EST]
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 11:52:54 AM

MERTIEMAN writes: Like Oregon trying to tax residents on a per mile basis. Absurd to say the least.
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What's absurd about the mileage tax? You may not like it but that doesn't make it absurd.

Oregon and other states are not getting the necessary revenue from the fuel tax that they need to keep the roads in good repair. Every year the shortfall in revenue has to be made up from the general fund when road users are supposed to pay for the entire cost of keeping the roads in good repair. And as car fuel efficiency continues to increase so will the shortfall in revenue.

For the immediate future most legislatures will simply increase the fuel tax but this preserves the basic unfairness of the fuel tax which is that a driver of a Prius, for example, will be paying far less per mile than the driver of a pickup. AND, of course, the fuel tax will not tax someone who has an electric car at all. The mileage tax allows the state to tax everyone according to their actual use of the roads and that is definitely not absurd.

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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 9:44:29 AM

Like Oregon trying to tax residents on a per mile basis. Absurd to say the least.
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pghbill
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 1:42:14 AM

drop the gas taxes, fed, state,and local and see the stimulus of the economy
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TomB2
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 4:28:45 PM

But there are twice as many cars on the road as 20 years ago, therefore, they don't need any more taxes. It would help tremendously if they would stop wasting what we do pay.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2013 1:47:22 PM

CACTUSBOB writes: open up bidding to non union contractors
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I live in a Right-To-Work state and I can tell you that sometimes it seems like the Egyptians built the pyramids faster than we do road repairs.
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sagnat
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2013 1:40:38 PM

I don't believe the Feds have plans to jack the tax up but the state taxes have gone up where I live. Between federal and state taxes we're paying 70+ cents per gallon tax.
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Glasman
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2013 12:32:45 PM

no taxation with out representation
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lyanMI
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 3:00:39 PM

not good
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 2:13:24 PM

Inflation happens.
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 9:51:17 AM

When politicians suspect there is money remaining in your pockets they start drooling over ways to increase your taxes.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 8:04:25 AM

I wouldn't be a bit surprised at a thing that these heathens do.
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 1:35:16 AM

time to cut costs , we have all had to do it in our own lives
open up bidding to non union contractors

while we are at it , why did it take 4 guys and over an hour to put back up a stop sign that the wind blew down in front of my house ?


[Edited by: CactusBobs at 10/18/2013 1:36:26 AM EST]
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:53:21 PM

They like the money. What are they gonna do about all electric cars ??
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Dale Jr.
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 8:35:12 AM

And how have they spent it.
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Houckster
Champion Author Atlanta

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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 1:51:56 AM

The feds charge 18.4¢ per gallon for gasoline and 24.4¢ for diesel. The rates were instituted in 1993. During this 20 year period, income from the federal gas tax has lost about a third of its real value. Moreover due to the increasing fuel efficiency of cars income from this revenue source continues to decline on a per capita basis. The problem is so bad that the Highway Trust Fund is in danger of becoming insolvent.

The tax rates should be increased because we will save more money in fuel and maintenance costs with good roads than we will spend on increased taxes.
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forresj
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2013 10:07:47 AM

As cars become more fuel efficient and people follow conservation, gas tax revenues have been decreasing. Instead, there's an effort to have oil companies who purchase oil from the commodities market pay an oil tax.

This idea has merit because this spread the tax to a wider broad of companies that use raw petroleum ingredients in their products, reducing the burden on just drivers.



[Edited by: forresj at 10/11/2013 10:13:10 AM EST]
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Hubba2107
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2013 8:28:40 AM

no more taxes
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2013 8:05:07 AM

we don't need more taxes!
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