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1prettywoman

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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 11:20:59 AM

I wish they would have made cars to run 40-45 miles on a gallon of gas 5 years ago then gas prices wouldn't be so high now!
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TomB2
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 1:23:37 PM

I fail to see how that would make gas less expensive now.
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Dale Jr.
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2013 8:46:43 AM

Wishful thinking
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cbuck80
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 7:23:20 AM

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alphanyr
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 1:15:00 PM

LOW 20'S
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Serenity 03
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:57:13 PM

Only thing I have done is added Lucas fuel injection cleaner in the tank.
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amistad51
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2013 2:00:42 PM

They had. I remember in the 80's there were at least two cars with 50MPG. A honda civic and the Suzuki Swift. People just wanted to buy bigger cars.
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Demomann
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2013 2:47:03 AM

With an efficient car, gas prices don't sting as much. I seldom spend over 11 cents per mile. My average fuel economy is in the high 30's (car sat for a year because the previous owner was not able to understand electricity and created a short in the dome light circuit.) The car is a 1994 geo prizm with dents, paint chips, and 250k miles.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 5:50:11 PM

JIMBLAKE56 writes: Just saying that for years people refuse to buy the real small, lightweight cars that get good MPG. So carmakers (of course) make more of the cars that everyone is buying. Then all of a sudden "we" blame the carmakers for not offering small, lightweight cars that get good MPG.
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This may be a mischaracterization of what was going on in past years.

Small cars have had a bad reputation for not providing much protection in a collision, especially when the collision is with a big vehicle. Small cars were also considered economy cars and they didn't have all the amenities that most drivers wanted. Moreover, gas was relatively cheap up until 2004 when prices began to steadily increase. I remember the cries of outrage when gas got expensive and people had almost nothing but big trucks and with few exceptions only the Japanese and Korean car makers were really positioned to offer good quality small cars.

Detroit had to scramble to reposition its offerings.

Air bags and higher government standards for collision protection along with higher gas prices and better optioning of smaller cars is having an affect on buyer preferences.

Of course people look back at those econoboxes that got xx MPG and lament why present offerings don't get the mileage those cars did. Sadly, it's this myopic thinking that leads to useless frustration. Cars today are far safer than those cars were and they pollute far less and go over 100K miles before they need a tune-up. These are things that are worth far more than the price of gas. I seriously doubt that if people had a choice of one of the old econoboxes versus a modern Honda Civic, Chevrolet Cruze or Ford Focus that they'd choose the old econobox.

[Edited by: Houckster at 10/10/2013 5:53:06 PM EST]
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JimBlake56
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 2:37:58 PM

I guess "greedy" was a bit of a stupid wisecrack.

Just saying that for years people refuse to buy the real small, lightweight cars that get good MPG. So carmakers (of course) make more of the cars that everyone is buying. Then all of a sudden "we" blame the carmakers for not offering small, lightweight cars that get good MPG.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 11:03:44 AM

"Car companies aren't stupid, they're just greedy. They only want to build what the people will buy."

Providing the vehicles people will buy is "greedy"? What would you call a company that built vehicles people wouldn't buy? Oh yeah, you'd call them either "out of business" or "government run".
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2013 10:53:11 AM

Wanda127--"They have had the technology for years for higher mileage but this would hurt the oil business so they keep it from us."

Nonsense!

My first car was a 1971 Ford Maverick with an 8cyl 302(4.9L). It could muster 140HP and guzzled 11 to 14 mpg. The best mpg I ever got out of this pig was 20 on a drive between NC and VA. My '07 Corolla with a 1.8L gets 126HP and 41 mpg highway. OTOH the Corolla weighs almost 1000lb more than the Plymouth Champ(Dodge Colt twin) I drove in the '80s which got 36 on the highway.
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JimBlake56
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2013 11:35:22 AM

High-MPG cars WERE available back then, just like they were even earlier. People didn't buy them, they bought the bigger engines instead. Seems like TODAY the real tiny high-MPG cars are less available. Just park a 1978 Honda Civic next to a 2013 Civic. Car companies aren't stupid, they're just greedy. They only want to build what the people will buy.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 9:28:40 AM

And just why do you think gas prices wouldn't be so high? This is a myth and not true at all for this crooked industry.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2013 9:23:06 AM

"you can do a lot of things to reduce fuel use, plan your trips, do not drive unnecessarily, do not use your trunks as storage, do not surge and slam on the brakes and worst of all, do not idle"

Good advice; well at least some of it. Planning trips to minimize miles driven and avoiding jack-rabbit starts and cramming on the brakes can make a big difference. Extra weight in the trunk and idling are inconsequential.
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Floridaman2013
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 5:40:23 AM

Back in the sixties growing up as a teenager, when I purchased my first used VW bug, I was hooked on small cars that got great fuel mileage while others drove the muscle cars. Now at 62, my wife and I can't bend down to get in and out of a lot of these small cars so now we know why a lot of other seniors but medium to full size vehicles after retirement!
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Camry05
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 1:45:21 AM

No matter what kind of car, SUV or truck you drive, you can do a lot of things to reduce fuel use, plan your trips, do not drive unnecessarily, do not use your trunks as storage, do not surge and slam on the brakes and worst of all, do not idle
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lyanMI
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 9:26:47 PM

I don't know whether all type of cars can get there
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Wanda127
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 8:59:37 PM

They have had the technology for years for higher mileage but this would hurt the oil business so they keep it from us.
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hoosh13
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 3:39:58 PM

We need better mileage for the bucks spent
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 3:27:30 PM

SICKOFIT56072 writes: . . . the blame for current gas prices has a lot to do with the millions of ridculously huge guzzling SUV's that hit the roads in the 80's . . .
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Time to think again. Most of the SUVs from the 80's and even the 90's have been retired. The average age for a US vehicle is about 11 years.

High gas prices are due to the higher cost of producing energy in the US. We don't have a lot of drillable oil. Most of our domestic oil is coming from shale and the tar sands of Alberta, Canada. These sources of oil require an energy intensive process to recover. There's no way these sources can compete with drilled oil.
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SICKOFIT56072 writes: . . . People only started caring about fuel economy when gas hit $3.

Sorry, not true. You were not here when gas creeped past the $2 mark. People were screaming bloody murder.


[Edited by: Houckster at 10/5/2013 3:30:09 PM EST]
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2013 3:19:03 PM

I would argue that when we're paying about $3.50 for a gallon of gas, that's not a high price because at this level US energy sources are feasible to exploit. If gas were $2 a gallon, almost all of the crude would be supplied by overseas producers and that would mean that there would be fewer jobs, less government revenue, a much less certain supply, a higher deficit and a much worse balance of trade. The money we pay for gasoline buys a lot more than a gallon of fuel.

And what costs are incurred when bringing a gallon of fuel to the pump? Here's the breakdown.

[Edited by: Houckster at 10/5/2013 3:21:02 PM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2013 12:40:07 PM

My car is 20 years old and gets 45mpg. It's not that 45mpg cars weren't or aren't available, it's that few people want them. With gas over $3 a gallon, trucks and big SUVs are still selling very well.

Anyway, the rise in consumption isn't the problem, it's the limited domestic supply of oil and the refining bottleneck that keeps the prices high. Our need to import oil from countries where the government can manipulate the price by controlling the supply (Saudi Arabia and other OPEC countries) is why oil is $100/bbl (not coincidently, the Saudi's target price). Yes, oil is a world market, but if the US was in a position to be a net exporter of crude, the world price would come down to the cost to produce it instead of double the typical production price, and gas would be back around $2/gal.
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sickofit56072
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2013 7:46:41 PM

They used to vehemently deny it but the blame for current gas prices has a lot to do with the millions of ridculously huge guzzling SUV's that hit the roads in the 80's. People only started caring about fuel economy when gas hit $3. I saw it coming miles away and have always driven the most fuel efficient cars I could get my hands on. Currently a 2012 Ford Fiesta that is pretty consistent at 40 miles a gallon.
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drydem
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2013 5:14:57 AM

To get really good fuel efficiency at speeds over 55 mph - a vehicle has to have the frontal aerodynamic surface area of a motorcycle and have the aerodynamic slickness of .25 or less... sort of like a Prius with only two wheels....with only two seats: one behind the other.
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BobBG
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 11:10:31 PM

Mileage is improving and this trend will continue.
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hoosh13
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 9:22:26 PM

we need smaller engines for cheaper gas usage
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drydem
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2013 7:54:49 AM

five years ago, the 2008 Prius and the 2008 Honda Civic Hybrid both got over 40 mph but with the Great Recession in full swing - most people (and the media) were more concerned about the economy and being employed than how fuel efficient their car was. When gas is cheap people tend to use more of it - when gas prices are high - people tend to use less of it. When people have less money they tend to drive less. When people have more money (and the economy is growing) energy prices and demand goes up.


[Edited by: drydem at 10/1/2013 7:57:31 AM EST]
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ecuwiumiu
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2013 11:23:37 PM

suzuki sx4 is around 24-30mpg
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LAMBREV08
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 8:58:36 AM

There are several cars that can get 40 mpg or higher now days if you look hard enough (EX: Ford C-max, Prius, Ford Fiesta, GM Spark, Saab 9-3, etc, etc)
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33gort33
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 8:41:03 AM

we are lemmings - we pay no matter what "they" charge.

and no amount of black outs or boycotts are gonna change that.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2013 5:26:02 AM

Don't kid yourself, they would probably be even higher than they currently are now.
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CactusBobs
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 9:15:11 PM

they did, small cars of the late 70's to early 80's got great mileage
cars like the chevette , dodge colt , ford escort .
these cars got great mileage , where light weight ......and ......deadly
no 7 air bags , no ABS, no ASC,no back up cameras, no internet , no power windows , no power steering ,no AC (in most cases), ect ect ect ..... NO ANYTHING !

so now we have it all , a heavy small car , with all the goodies

and it gets 30 MPG .....MAX

You want great mileage ....go buy a 79 Dodge Colt , it gets 50 mpg , and drives like a covered wagon




[Edited by: CactusBobs at 9/23/2013 9:15:40 PM EST]
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forresj
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 7:37:22 PM

What's your point?
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hoosh13
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 4:39:50 PM

Better ways of consuming gas, I suppose, is the answer....
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 4:31:01 PM

"I wish they would have made cars to run 40-45 miles on a gallon of gas 5 years ago then gas prices wouldn't be so high now!"

And I wish people who joined Gas Buddy four years ago posted more than one gas price post a week.

Sorry, but even if they made cars that got 40 miles to the gallon five years ago, how do you know that gas prices wouldn't be what they are now, just that you'd be getting better fuel economy.

Second, how did you come up with "5 years ago" and not 10 or 20 years ago? Or is it just a number you thought of?

Sorry, but the original post doesn't make much sense as written.
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alphanyr
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 4:17:20 PM

24.5
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Camry05
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2013 12:13:30 PM

oh well, they are not totally here yet
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