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astrobaby

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Message Posted: May 16, 2012 2:05:17 PM

Tires filled with nitrogen boosts mileage. Is it worth filling @ $20?
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 8:22:08 AM

Just because "a little birdie told Me so" and then Mom said "wiser is better" Son, as you go out that door.
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VWDeeZel
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 11:36:49 PM

Fact that people aren't that smart.
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drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 5:52:35 PM

Here's more on the Nitrogen Snake oil.
https://powertank.com/truth.or.hype/
http://www.getnitrogen.org/sub.php?view=getTheFacts&subpage=checkpressure

If you want to follow the logic:
CO2 is 232.6 pm, 4-5 times the size of Nitrogen or Oxygen, therefore CO2 should be the best gas to inflate your tires.
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drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 4:46:22 PM

Butyl rubber is impermeable to air.
http://www.irsst.qc.ca/media/documents/PubIRSST/R-785.pdf

Any leak is not through the tire, but past the tire/wheel seam or the valve stem.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/repair/my-tires-have-no-holes-so-why-are-they-going-flat-8833288

Oxygen atom is 1.47 Angstroms(48pm) and Nitrogen is 1.5 Angstroms(56pm). The difference of 0.02 Angstroms(8pm) will not make a difference.


[Edited by: drgeeforce at 1/27/2015 4:56:14 PM EST]
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OICUCHEAPIE
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 4:09:27 PM

HOUCKSTER you are correct. I've been in the car repair business 40+ years and you are so right. We have Tire Pressure Sensors because too many people don't check the tire pressures on their vehicles. Service intervals on new cars are 6 months or more and that requires a gas that is more stable than regular air for the general public.
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ShortyT2014
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 1:53:41 PM

Send me $10, fill your tires with air, and I'll remind you to check you tire pressure. You will see a boost in mileage...
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 11:40:34 AM

No need for My purposes, compressors handy.
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JohnCur
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 10:56:25 AM

No
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ChiefNolarama
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 9:20:51 AM

nah
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Madridjoe
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 7:16:26 AM

not a believer
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twt
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 6:41:15 AM

Where do these people get these "ideas"?
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hoopitup2000
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 6:25:12 AM

Nope, good old regular air is good enough for me!!
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metsghia
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 10:12:08 AM

If you are an individual that checks your tire air pressure regularly I can't see the value in nitrogen in tires. Personally, I feel its another gimmick but if a company such as Costco will initially fill new tires purchased and then "top off" as required, fix and refill tires after flats, and not out in any way out of your normal daily drive then what the heck- go for it.
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:14:48 AM

I've said it before and it needs repeating - "Houckster nailed the situation exactly".
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:31:27 AM

I'd really like to know if this is worth it.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 9:14:59 PM

BORSHT asks: How much of an increase in ecconomy should one expect?
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Nitrogen provides no benefit against a properly inflated tire with air. The advantages of nitrogen include the ability of the tire to maintain pressure which means more convenience, avoidance of the potential corrosive effects on the tube with oxygen, and less radical changes in pressure due to temperature.

If you always keep your tire pressures checked, nitrogen is of little value. If, like many, they are checked during every blue moon, nitrogen can save on gas and treadwear as a function of underinflation.
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borsht
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:58:44 PM

How much of an increase in ecconomy should one expect?
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 12:47:22 PM

One poster writes: Wherever you buy your tires should re-inflate them with Nitrogen for nothing if they use Nitrogen. Otherwise I am not sure it will be that much of an impact and certainly not enough to offset the $20 you mention above.
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Too often, people look at the immediate cost of something and make a decision on that one factor. In this case I think it's a mistake. A set of radial tires can last 40-60K miles these days. That's several years for most drivers and in that time they will have to check and possibly add air to those tires at least once a month if they want to keep the tires at the proper PSI. If nitrogen cuts the frequency by half, that certainly seems worth $20 to me.

Also, while COSTCO may provide nitrogen free of charge, others may feel the need to charge something since the nitrogen machine does cost money to purchase and maintain.
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silverG
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:39:41 AM

When one buys tires @ COSTCO they automatically fill w/nitro.
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bigtankBC
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:28:07 AM

yes
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ovillaone
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 5:52:31 AM

no
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waynecz
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 10:45:20 PM

Wherever you buy your tires should re-inflate them with Nitrogen for nothing if they use Nitrogen. Otherwise I am not sure it will be that much of an impact and certainly not enough to offset the $20 you mention above.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 2:43:28 PM

HOTROD10 writes: If you check your tire pressure often and fill with dry air, any advantage of using straight nitrogen would be negligible.
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Fine but I haven't seen any inflation machines that display humidity levels.
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Jeff1226
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 2:26:38 PM

never have done it
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 9:40:32 AM

If you check your tire pressure often and fill with dry air, any advantage of using straight nitrogen would be negligible.
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cv
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 6:28:20 AM

Tried it with one set of tires....I couldn't tell any difference.
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RalphHightower
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 6:02:43 AM

Not worth the expense
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LKnight598
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 12:07:58 AM

Not for me!
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weddy11
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:19:52 AM

no
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LauraLea5
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:37:42 AM

Don't believe so
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dbcraw
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:07:28 PM

What a scam!
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Mr1lung
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:16:05 PM

no
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:22:39 AM

Unless all tire manufactorers cheapen their tire inner wall textures,I won't be needing the Ni... options,I pick tire brands because of their ability to be trouble free,so far that's been the past good results.....
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 9:50:36 AM

Houckster nailed the situation exactly. I never believed in this magic gas myself but reading the postings here, doing a bit of research on leakage rates, and finally admitting to myself that I rarely check my tire pressures, I've concluded that Nitrogen has a very positive effect for the "average" car owner.

Of course, I haven't installed N2 yet, but admitting the reality is the first, and biggest, step.
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RalphHightower
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 8:00:59 AM

I'm not spending the extra money.
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DanFMA
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 7:25:59 AM

No.
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waynester1955
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:44:30 PM

Free at Costco but I guess it's included in the initial cost.
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xtremecheap
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:39:41 PM

I would not pay more than a couple of bucks a tire, and I would not do it if I can't watch them.

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d_clark
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:25:17 PM

doubt you will see a boost in mileage.
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jeffarklie
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:44:41 PM

no
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 9:51:43 AM

DUCATIRIDER writes: Just take a look at the composition of air -- mostly Nitrogen. Complete scam.
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Sorry. This kind of air-headed thinking is one of the biggest problems in our country. The reality: If you're accustomed to regularly checking your tire pressure, nitrogen won't provide much value BUT since most people don't check their tire pressures often AND because when they do, they inflate to the OEM recommendation which is really the minimum safe inflation most people are driving on underinflated tires. The value of tires that retain their pressure more effectively and the gas not lost from underinflated tires is not to be overlooked.

[Edited by: Houckster at 1/3/2013 9:53:36 AM EST]
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dgsteven
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 4:10:35 AM

nope
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DucatiRider
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 9:51:48 AM

Just take a look at the composition of air -- mostly Nitrogen. Complete scam.
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PhilnTX
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 3:27:59 PM

It's worth it to the guy selling you the N2. Not that much to you.
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ridgerunnerNY
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 2:54:08 PM

If you are driving an industrial mining dump truck, then you need to fill the tires with nitrogen to prevent them from starting on fice and exploding. Otherwise, you are wasting your money.
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achas
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2012 5:42:11 PM

Thanks Banjoe and Houckster
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 7:18:49 PM

yes it is.
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 5:50:43 PM

I think Houckster has nailed this argument right through the eye.

Nitrogen does nothing over standard air IF you keep your tires inflated. For those who ignore their tires for months at a time, Nitrogen will maintain pressures a bit better.

If you pay attention to what your car/truck needs and wants, nitrogen is a time and, if you pay for the stuff, a money waster.

Now you have to decide if you pay attention to your tires and keep them very happy or if you will ignore your tires and let Nitrogen cover off a bit of your laziness.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 1:54:08 PM

BRAD_I2001 writes: No... Nitrogen does nothing for fuel economy...
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Actually it does. Most people inflate their tires to the OEM recommendation and then forget about them for months. Consequently most people are driving on underinflated tires.

Nitrogen, in a properly mounted tire, will not seep quickly through the tube so people will drive on tires much closer to proper inflation much more of the time and that will save gas.
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brad_i2001
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 7:03:03 AM

No... Nitrogen does nothing for fuel economy... It is used in military vehicles since it will not explode when in contact with flames.
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datsher
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 11:10:56 PM

I don't think so
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