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eyefishpa

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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 6:18:25 PM

Nobody wants to hear it, but if the speed limit were lowered to 55 mph a whole lot of energy would be saved. What do you think?
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gougenator
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 8:28:19 AM

Sammy Hagar made a song about "55" back in 1985 about the time of the "55" nationwide speed limit ,which has eroded over the years to 65-75-,,,,85!!! now (in rural texas)
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WEB0153
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 5:11:32 AM

This is a fraction of what impacts gas conservation (ie; driving habits, route planning, car pooling, etc.)
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Maintroll
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 5:05:04 AM

Stop this asinine talk. If the speed limit were lowered to 55, there would be more accidents and it doesn't conserve that much fuel with todays cars.
I say a definite no to this question.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 7:14:39 PM

To the question posed EYEFISHPA, GOLFER7332 wrote first:

What? burn less fuel? Not a chance, the oil lobbies wont allow it. The Feds does what the big corporates want.

Then a couple of days later GOLFER7332 wrote: Houster the Feds want to conserve energy so that we dont have to rely on foreign oil. It was the only way to force the car manf and oil co. to innovate and made more efficient cars and better fuel.
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Have you been taking lessons from Mit Romney? These seem to be contradictory statements.
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golfer7332
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2012 9:33:40 PM

Houster the Feds want to conserve energy so that we dont have to rely on foreign oil. It was the only way to force the car manf and oil co. to innovate and made more efficient cars and better fuel. Otherwise we would still be driving 20 ft boat and 2 1/2ton iron. people want more car for their money, i want that too if i have the choice. But is that being responsible. The corporations would want you to believe they are catered to what you want so they can rake in the dough. they dont care where the oil is coming from as long as they are selling it.
As for doing away speed limit, i am wishfully simplistic by throwing it out there. For us to go that route, we need whole sale change of driving educations. The general public are just not ready for this kind of discipline. Just look at how many left lane bandits, no signal lane change, tail gating you see a day to know that this is an impossible propositions.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2012 8:26:24 PM

E-SQUIRREL writes: And...a whole lot of time would be lost too. For many time is money, they don't want to trade time away, since, while you might be able to make more money, you can't make more time.
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You're darn right, time IS money and so people are driving 75-85 MPG to save that time and in the process endangering others lives. The highway is no place to make up lost time, not when you can get someone killed.
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gvan
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 12:04:48 PM

"The government wants fuel costs high so Obie can push for alternate sources of power, electric cars, hybrid cars, smaller cars, slower cars."

Then why would President Obama support the legislation to mandate 54.5 mpg by 2025?
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gvan
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 11:59:18 AM

"His energy secretary has said several times that they have no interest in lowering gas prices and that if our prices are more like in Europe there would be less global warming."

Energy Secretary Chu made that statement before he was Energy Secretary so that is slightly misleading:

“Obama’s energy secretary said we need to, quote, ‘boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.’ That’s $9 a gallon.” It’s true that Steven Chu said those words. But, as we previously wrote, Chu made that remark before becoming Obama’s energy secretary and even before Obama won the 2008 presidential election. Not long after becoming energy secretary, Chu said it would be “completely unwise to want to increase the price of gasoline.” (Factcheck.org)
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 10:39:28 AM

GOLFER7332 writes: What? burn less fuel? Not a chance, the oil lobbies wont allow it.

ME: Silly, silly, silly. We have the choice of driving or not and we have the choice to drive efficiently. Many of us have the choice of buying a fuel-efficient ride too. It is also important to read the newspapers and to be informed. Has GOLFER7332 never heard of the CAFE standards? The oil lobbies do not control our driving.

GOLFER7332 writes: The Feds does what the big corporates want. If the feds really want to conserve fuel, raise the taxes like europe and do away speed limits. In that case you made the choice of conservation by going at 55mph or 150mph with your right foot and more diesel engines choices.

ME: Silly, silly, silly. The government does cooperate with the goals of many interest groups when it will advance the goals of the currently elected officials. Perhaps that cooperation is a bit higher when the Republicans are in power. It should be realized that 1) raising taxes while it would be good in terms of improving infrastructure is almost totally opposed by voters; 2) Doing away with speed limits is simply irresponsible; and 3) the value of diesels is vastly overstated given the extra cost of a diesel car and the substantial difference in price between diesel and gasoline.

One things is clear, GOLFER7332 should take a mulligan after a post like this.

[Edited by: Houckster at 12/30/2012 10:41:28 AM EST]
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golfer7332
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 1:38:21 PM

What? burn less fuel? Not a chance, the oil lobbies wont allow it. The Feds does what the big corporates want. If the feds really want to conserve fuel, raise the taxes like europe and do away speed limits. In that case you made the choice of conservation by going at 55mph or 150mph with your right foot and more diesel engines choices.
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Snowchoux
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 12:03:27 PM

Politician don't know what they want. I take that back. The want you to think that they are concerned about your interest.
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Jeff1226
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 7:40:35 AM

hard to tell
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unemployed58
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 11:54:12 PM

no they don't
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E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 5:39:33 PM

"a whole lot of energy would be saved. What do you think?"

And...a whole lot of time would be lost too. For many time is money, they don't want to trade time away, since, while you might be able to make more money, you can't make more time.
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JasTheAce
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 5:16:29 PM

yes
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Z12
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2012 7:27:22 PM

Don't think so
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 8:33:54 AM

Feds are all about perpetuating their own deal.
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 7:35:21 AM

THey want the taxes.
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IAMCANADIAN73
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2012 7:27:55 AM

Nope
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rrtruck
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2012 11:12:24 PM

Time is money.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 12:11:38 PM

OILPAN4 writes: I watched an american Top Gear where the guys fuel economy tested a BMW with an 8 speed auto trans. That car got its best fuel milage in 8th gear, only problem is that car didn't go into 8th gear till you hit 60 to 65 mph.
So driving 55 in a modern vehicle with 6 or more gears could very well get you worse milage.
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First, a BMW is not a typical car so I'm not sure how relevant such a car is to this discussion.

CAFE requirements are going to put quite a bit of pressure on the OEMs to make their cars more fuel efficient so they will gear the cars that most of us will drive to be in overdrive by the time they reach 55.

On my Ford Ranger, I'm in 5th by about 35-40. If the speed limit were 55 I'd save a lot of gas although I'd be dying of boredom because I'd feel like I'm sitting still. I think I'd save about 20% in gas figuring in engine speed and wind resistance.
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13Octane
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:52:39 PM

who really knows...
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 6:25:34 PM

"Nobody wants to hear it, but if the speed limit were lowered to 55 mph a whole lot of energy would be saved".

Maybe if all the vehicles had 1970s technology.
I watched an american Top Gear where the guys fuel economy tested a BMW with an 8 speed auto trans. That car got its best fuel milage in 8th gear, only problem is that car didn't go into 8th gear till you hit 60 to 65 mph.
So driving 55 in a modern vehicle with 6 or more gears could very well get you worse milage.
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NYTEFLYT
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 7:28:20 PM

Not as long as they're collecting a per gallon tax.
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Commute2
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 6:40:51 PM

No way
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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2012 5:26:46 PM

There is no gas shortage now and the Federal government takes in 38 billion dollars in gas and diesel tax a year. States take in well over 70 billion.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2012 11:18:04 AM

One poster writes: Which means the Feds receive $.18 for every gallon purchased...the more gasoline purchased the more they make so ask yourself why would they want us to conserve but rather in fact use more?
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The federal gas tax hasn't been increased for quite a few years so the revenue taken in probably doesn't cover the costs for maintaining the roads. This problem is exacerbated by the fact that with increasing fuel efficiency, a car uses more road with a gallon of fuel than it once did.

Additionally, there are many costs associated with car usage including the costs associated with pollution and the importation of oil.

There is plenty of incentive for the feds to want us to drive less.
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Tymer
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2012 10:48:55 AM

There seems to be a balancing act between getting tax revenue and conserving gas. there is technology for significantly higher mpg for vehicles but this would in turn significantly reduce revenue from taxes. That reduces the amount of infrastructure able to be done. This is a quite a complex. But hopefully progress will be made in reducing fuel usage while maintaining the, and improving the roads.
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2012 8:38:06 AM

Think about it, the Fed tax embedded in the price of gasoline is .18 per gallon at the pump in all 50 States.

Which means the Feds receive $.18 for every gallon purchased...the more gasoline purchased the more they make so ask yourself why would they want us to conserve but rather in fact use more?
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IAMCANADIAN73
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2012 6:56:49 AM

No
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anthroMO
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 5:06:46 PM

How many people will be patient to drive at 55 when they are late for work?
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 8:17:39 AM

Individual States control speed limits but the Feds control funding to the States. Back in the day when Interstates were mandated down to 55mph the few States that didn't get in line lost funding until the double nickel signs showed up.

55 mph will keep people on the highways much longer than at higher speeds and this extra congestion has got to be good for safety. Costs for all trucked products go up accordingly and driver boredom leads to more accidents.

Lots of unintended consequences to this motherhood concept.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 3:54:39 AM

There is no reason to believe that the president doesn't want us to save gas and we all should want to save as much gas as possible but that doesn't mean that US drivers want to do so. They still drive too fast and drivers are the bottom line. The 55 MPH speed limit didn't work because people would rather drive fast than act for the benefit of the country.
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2012 8:05:09 AM

the speed limits are not controlled by the feds, thats left to the states.

But to answer your question, no the feds, at least this president, does not. His energy secretary has said several times that they have no interest in lowering gas prices and that if our prices are more like in Europe there would be less global warming.
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forresj
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 8:02:44 AM

lowering the legal speed limit to 55 mph will definitely save on fuel. but i don't believe it will happen. as for me, i drive at 55 mph anyways.
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:51:34 AM

I think you need to go down to the River Walk about two in the morning and wait for someone to molest you.
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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2012 10:15:29 AM

Just remember how well that worked last time. Plus this subject is already a post, why repeat it?
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM

The mileage tax is primarily being considered by the states, NOT the federal government. The federal government has NO vested interest in us driving more.

[Edited by: Houckster at 6/6/2012 9:19:36 AM EST]
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OceanArcher
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 9:11:07 AM

Less fuel used means less gas taxes. Why do you think they are pushing for taxing by the mile?
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Seamus4513
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 8:54:58 AM

Nyet
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 8:41:51 AM

Not going to happen again, 55 too slow on most US hyws,

ADD ANOTHER GEAR TO TRANYs, OR CHANGE REAR END GEARS. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 8:00:26 AM

If we're going to be responsible then we will use as little fuel as possible because the less we use, the less we will have to import and that means less of a trade deficit. Less fuel use means less pollution and, not just the feds, we all pay for that. The many, many costs of air and other sources of pollution are well documented.

Of course there are those who are always suspicious of government thinking that the feds want us to drive more so they'll have tons of money to waste on $500 yo-yos or some other silliness. They don't want to hear that the feds get only 18.4¢ per gallon of gas and 24.4¢ for diesel. The rate has not changed since 1993.
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vikings80
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2012 4:52:44 AM

no
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 7:17:12 AM

no
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MertieMan
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 5:31:16 AM

The feds don't care as long as you pay them and keep pouring money into their abyss.
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JCClark2012
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 2:57:06 AM

We live in a country that's suppose to be free. Free to even choose how fast to drive, to save energy or not. The feds need to stay out of it.
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2amy
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 2:39:37 AM

We are to spoiled to go 55. We are used to 65 to 75 depending on your state. At those speeds we get there quicker. I'll admit its hard to do 55 mph.
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gasmask78
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 10:26:58 PM

Driving 55 on the highway and keeping your tires properly inflated at all times will save gas and prevent the likelihood of breaking down. No matter what the FEDS want, it is our responsibility to protect the environment.
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 8:17:29 AM

no
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No
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