streetirsx
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 5:29:39 AM
Prices are not going up because people are buying new cars.. Gas is going up because the Oil companies keep closing refineries for "maintenance" inorder to manipulate the supply of gas, causing a shortage on that region when the refinary was closed, causing an increase in the price of gas for that entire region.. And once the "repairs" are completed prices decrease, but NOT to the point they were before the refinery closed, increasing the profits for the oil companies in the process.
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mybigtruck
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 3:21:44 AM
More people buying hybrids means less demand for fuel. It's good because fuel prices should come down in theory, at least.
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gwhizz13
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 3:42:25 AM
I would love to own one but out of my price range now.
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gwhizz13
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 3:40:42 AM
Was a passenger in one today and it was so quiet, very good on gas, my friend gets a new one every two years and she wouldn't get anything that wasn't a hybrid.
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 8:44:37 AM
Demand and availability= pricing
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BigHorne1
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 8:38:14 AM
not really interested, enjoy my V-8's to much.
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aalix
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 12:38:31 AM
Will wait a little bit longer before trying a hybrid.
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5p33df73ak
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 10:21:51 PM
I want a hybrid car
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driver61OR
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 2:43:58 PM
Hybrid cars, what a joke!!
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BLWong
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2012 4:20:29 AM
but not like before because of cash for clunkers
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drydem
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 7:49:03 AM
Metromaniac is correct - as conventional gasoline engine tech improves those improvements can integrated into hybrids with the result being that both hybrids and conventional gas vehicle improve together.
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drydem
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 7:26:53 AM
There are a signficant number of "hollow" hybrids that get poor fuel efficiency but allowed the driver to take advantage of "hybrid" incentives and HOV restrictions, e.g. Chevy Malibu hybrid, Cadillac Escalade Hybrid, BMW X6 Active Hybrid, BMW Active 7 Hybrid, Lexus LS600hl,VW Touareg Hybrid.
Only a handful of hybrids offered significant fuel efficiency advantage: the Toyota Prius family, the Honda Insight, the Honda Civic hybrid, and the Chevy Volt. Most hybrids offer only a incremental MPG advantage: Hyundai Sonata Hybrid, Kia Optimia Hybrid, Honda Accord Hybrid, Toyota Camry Hybrid, Ford Fusion Hybrid, and Ford Escape Hybrid. Coming this fall, Ford will introduce a hybrid crossover called the C-Max which will offer signficant fuel efficiency - the 2013 Ford C-Max design is very much like a 2012 Prius v(ersatile) crossover wagon - but Ford is using a Lithium ion battery pack instead of a NiMH battery pack.
[Edited by: drydem at 8/18/2012 7:28:39 AM EST]
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drydem
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 6:55:49 AM
Hybrids makes it easier to get better fuel efficiency - but it doesn't guarantee better MPGs. Jeremy Clarkson demostrated on BBC's Top Gear that a determined driver with bad driving/habits/skills can defeat a hybrid's ability to get better fuel efficiency. A circus clown like Clarkson can drive a full hybrid like a Prius in such a way that it will get only 18 mpg but a skilled driver can also drive a Prius to get +60 mpg as well. For example, my 2010 Prius got 68 mpg over 750 miles on my last tank of gas. My best tank was 70.9 mpg over 727 miles (but that was last year). If you want more proof check the website *fuelly*com and compare the average MPG for a particular vehicle by year by make and by model.
[Edited by: drydem at 8/18/2012 7:02:21 AM EST]
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drydem
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 6:34:00 AM
The current price spikes for gasoline and diesel is mainly due to future contract speculation. The developement of hybrids and other alternative vehicles is more a consequence than a cause of high fuel prices. The major players of future oil contract speculation are Bank of America, Citibank, Wall street hedge funds like Berkshire Hathaway, and soforth. Part of reason for the trend towards increasing fuel prices is that due to deregulation of the banking and financial industries (i.e. the repeal in 1999 of provisions in the Glass-Steagll Act of 1933) which allows wall street to play the commodities markets. Deregulation and the consolidation of the banking and financial industry into "too big to fail" (Moral Hazard protected) financial super giant corporations - means that speculation in the oil futures market is done with unprecedented and historically large amounts of cash (especially with the central bank expansion of the money supply and then loaning that extra money supply out basically for free to the big wall street firms. It's a classical "Tragedy of the Commons" - economic game theory scenario. After the stock market - bond market meltdown, the easiest way to make money is to speculate on oil.
[Edited by: drydem at 8/18/2012 6:39:24 AM EST]
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2012 8:11:13 AM
Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius
I have one of each, both driven equally.
The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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MetroManiac
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2012 9:55:49 PM
ace12012, that would imply that hybrid mpg would cease to advance. i would think they would advance at least together.
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ace12012
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2012 1:53:33 PM
as long as regular gas engines continue to increase their mpg hybrids, with their extra cost, will have a hard time increasing their market share,
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2012 8:33:28 AM
Rick_Evans, you over simplified the case, by a mile.
She really sued because the under advertised MPG got progressively worse after a software upgrade was performed. Her advertised 50MPG went from actual 40's MPG to 30's MPG after upgrade.
And the software upgrade, was a one way upgrade. So she couldn't reverse it.
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2012 7:01:07 AM
I'm just glad that people are buying more fuel efficient vehicles, regardless of the technology used.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2012 6:48:55 AM
Honda Insight isn't a "full" hybrid? What Kool Aid are you drinking? My 2000 Honda Insight regularly broke 60 mpg. The three cylinder engine was assisted by a battery.
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:47:20 PM
Vikings80 wrote -- "Their was a woman that sue and I believe she won because the car didn't get the gas mileage that was advertised."
Actually she won the first round because she sued in California small claims court where you can't be represented by a lawyer. Guess what. She's a lead footed lawyer representing herself against a non lawyer. The case is without merit. Advertised MPGs are EPA numbers.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:04:01 PM
GM and Honda are not "full hybrids", only Ford and Toyota. And yes Ford needs to offer some "stripped" hybrids.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 9:01:32 AM
ford sells relatively small numbers of hybrids. they have dropped behind GM and Honda who are far and away leading hybrid market. One reason is the vehicles that Ford offers are loaded with options that many people deem not wanted...
Maybe ford will learn, or maybe not...
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 8:11:30 AM
I hate the quality of my wifes crappy prius BUT.. AA2009 it does get 40-45. I have had to use my wifes prius to track problems she finds, and calc. mpg's are right in there at 41-44 for ours. The gas milage is the ONLY thing I like about it. Our Ford Escape Hybrid is a much more versatile car with far better quality and ave. mpg is 32.5, for a larger, SUV is admerable. Looking foward to Ford's new hybrids getting 47 mpg, this fall!
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2012 10:26:07 AM
will trade my prius for the new Ford hybrid this fall.
NO repairs of any kind on my Ford Escape Hybrid 140,000 miles, oil & some gas thats it!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2012 9:13:46 AM
Car sales for Prius Hybrid (along with all hybrids) for last month, May 2012...
Unfortunately, Ford has no major vehicle to compete at this time...
Very unfortunate...
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2012 8:32:42 AM
Poor sales of the prius would indicate people do listen to CR.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2012 6:17:19 AM
Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius
I have one of each, both driven equally.
The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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minet
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2012 7:54:12 PM
i dont believed on this hybrid car. i'd rather wait for the electric car.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 7:11:50 AM
The Prius test score, said Consumer Reports, puts it slightly under its chief competitor, the mediocre Honda Insight, and is too low for us to recommend the model.”
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2012 1:18:38 AM
"Their was a woman that sue and I believe she won because the car didn't get the gas mileage that was advertised".
Yeah plenty of people have sued honda over their claims of "up to 50mpg" and most people are only getting mid 30s.
I have a 2008 sonata that gets low to mid 30s, no fancy batteries or electric motors.
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vikings80
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2012 7:20:00 PM
Their was a woman that sue and I believe she won because the car didn't get the gas mileage that was advertised.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 5:48:33 AM
2013 Ford C-max Plug-in will pick up where the 2005-2012 Escape Hybrid leaves off would be a better choice than the V.
"Honda and Toyota lie about MPG's, The wifes Prius got 40.3(395miles on 9.8gal) last fill NOT the 60/51 Toyota claims."
2004-2007 Toyota claimed 60 mpg city/51 mpg highway later in 2008 it was changed to 48 mpg city/45 mpg highway still higher than we get.
Our 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid gets 32.5 most of the time, paid 10grand
the wifes P.O.S. 2004 prius only gets 40.3 not 60 like they said, but she got it for 7grand, ok beater I guess, but the Ford is our favorite, better quality for sure!
reb4, that driving 30-40mph(pulse-glide/hyper-miling) in 45-55limit roads will get you rear-ended, oh you help desk metrosexuals are into that kinda thing!
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 31, 2012 7:47:08 AM
PLAN TO SELL the prius THIS fall(and buy the new Ford hybrid), the wive keeps giving me the Toy Prius to drive, so I can check out posible problems, latest break lock ups in wet weather! The Prius is clearly the least favorite to drive and the Ford Escape hybrid the desired ride in our family!
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 30, 2012 7:44:18 AM
Full hybrids like the Ford Escape hybrid or the Ford Fusion hybrid get their EPA rated MPG when driven over 30 minutes per trip, under 55 mph, in warm weather, and if the driver accelerates and decelerates gently. A full hybrid like the Prius will get significantly below their EPA rating when driven hard, under 15 minutes per trip, in extreme cold, driven very fast around corner/bends, or/and driven at speeds over 70 mph.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 30, 2012 7:43:14 AM
Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius, I have one of each, both driven equally. The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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drydem
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 9:48:03 PM
Full hybrids like the Prius get their EPA rated MPG when driven over 30 minutes per trip, under 55 mph, in warm weather, and if the driver accelerates and decelerates gently. A full hybrid like the Ford Escape hybrid or the Ford Fusion hybrid will get significantly below their EPA rating when driven hard, under 15 minutes per trip, in extreme cold, driven very fast around corner/bends, or/and driven at speeds over 70 mph.
The Prius C is now the most popular Prius in the Toyota lineup.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 4:15:04 PM
It is cost effective if you buy used Wendy.
A NICE USED FORD Escape/MERCURY Mariner/MAZDA Tribute HYBRID IS THE WAY TO GO! Let someone else pay for the tech.research and dev.
Our 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid gets 32.5 most of the time, paid 10grand
the wifes P.O.S. 2004 prius only gets 40.3 not 60 like they said, but she got it for 7grand, ok beater I guess, but the Ford is our favorite, better quality for sure!
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WEDDY
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 10:34:50 AM
Not cost effective.
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 8:19:36 AM
Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius, I have one of each, both driven equally. The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
toy Only top 3 , Ford on the top of that list #1, chump!
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 8:17:21 AM
too bad ford can't sell the things. Had to kill the escape hybrid ...
too bad... nice car..
and the fusion is not selling at all...
such a shame.. I feel sorry for you gbhugva..
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 9:20:42 PM
Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius
I have one of each, both driven equally.
The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 9:17:37 AM
gbhugva, so for killed their reliable car... go figure...
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bithehr
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 8:38:40 AM
FordS
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 7:51:31 AM
Still the Ford is the better car!
Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius, I have one of each, both driven equally. The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 11:04:29 PM
to bad ford discontinued it, huh gbhugva?
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 10:19:06 PM
Ford Escape Hybrid is a better built veh. than the Prius, I have one of each, both driven equally. The Ford with 140K miles feels much more solid than the Toy with 103K on it. I don't care who sold more, the Ford wins in our family!
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GBHUGVA
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 10:08:25 PM
Ford takes on Toyota with lower-priced hybrid
May 17, 2012 12:04 AM ET.
By DEE-ANN DURBIN
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DETROIT (AP) - Ford is taking on Toyota in the hybrid market.
Ford Motor Co. said Thursday that its new C-Max hybrid small minivan will have a base price of $25,995 when it goes on sale this fall. That's $500 less than Toyota's Prius V wagon.
Ford says the C-Max's fuel economy will also beat the Prius V, which gets an estimated 42 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving.
Toyota Motor Corp. has dominated the hybrid market for more than a decade. In March, for example, 65 percent of the 50,000 hybrids sold in the U.S. were made by Toyota, compared with 3.5 percent for Ford.
Ford hopes to change that with the five-seat C-Max, which will be sold only in hybrid, plug-in hybrid and electric versions.
As ussual reb4 twisting facts, that poorly written article does not state that any rollovers accured, and they have not.
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bithehr
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 8:35:48 AM
Go Ford!
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 10:18:02 PM
"Message Posted: May 26, 2012 GBHUGVA
2013 Ford/Lincoln will be this fall!
Ford is also working to develop its own CV transmission for its hybrid vehicles to eliminate the Toyota choke point.
As for the 2013 Ford Escape, it will debut with 3 engine choices and Ford projects up to 5 mpg better fuel economy than the current Escape. So the new model will actually be able to deliver better fuel economy than the older hybrid technology, all at a likely lower cost to consumers."
GBHUGVA, do you know what you post man...
Meanwhile, Fords hybrid sales are dropping fast, and Toyota... Recently sold it's 4 millionth hybrid world wide sales, and is nearing selling a million a year...
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