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GASMANDEAN

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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2011 11:36:33 PM

I started maximizing gas mileage 4 years ago, before gas prices went up.

I wanted to figure out what was worth the trouble.

My conclusions:

1) Coasting in neutral down hill is my best way to improve mileage on relative steep hills.
2) I refuse to slow down traffic behind me. If it is a choice between going slower and obstructing traffic, I speed up.
3) I bought a ScanGauge 2 years ago and it really helped me figure out what worked.
4) Driving more slowly works but my best MPG is at 35 miles per hour which isn't usally practical.
5) Driving early in the morning or late at night when the traffic is lighter are the best times to maximize mileage but it's really inconvenient.
6) I have discovered that some routes really allow me to apply the tricks of hypermiling with the least stress, back roads etc.

I have over 40 MPG with my Camry Hybrid for temperatures over 60 degrees. For the past 56,000 miles I have 37.2 MPG based on actual gas station receipts (not the inaccurate guages in the car).

I think hypermiling is too time consuming and labor intensive for most people and I wouldn't recommend it.

[Edited by: GASMANDEAN at 4/22/2011 11:38:21 PM EST]
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2013 6:53:56 AM

No....never.....common sense seems to be dead these days........very unsafe practice.........
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rick_evans
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2013 6:48:12 PM

"1) Coasting in neutral down hill is my best way to improve mileage on relative steep hills."

Hmm. Aside from being unsafe some car computers shut off fuel to the injectors when coasting IN gear but burn fuel to idle the engine in neutral. This shows on my ScanguageE.
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GLM4205
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2013 6:14:46 AM

Good for you.
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2013 7:52:35 AM

I have places to go and things to do. I don't have time for intelligent driving and anticipating things ahead.

I have a gas pedal and a brake pedal and, to get my money's worth out of every vehicle I drive, I make sure I'm on one of them at all times.

Saving fuel reduces the amount of money flowing into our economy and that puts people out of work. With all the gas I burn, the brakes and tires I replace, and the early destruction of my vehicles, I must be supporting 40 or 50 people just on my own.

I should be getting medals for my sense of community.
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pinbuster2005
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 3:01:03 PM

oilpan - "Its a lot harder to get a license in other countries."

That may be true but it's because of better training and you better know and obey your traffic laws in those countries because they ARE going to be enforced. People getting their license in other countries are told this right from day one as well as people visiting those countries either on vacation or in the military are told this as well so you know you best obey the laws to the letter.

[Edited by: pinbuster2005 at 10/25/2013 3:03:23 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 12:30:55 PM

Semisteves post on hypermileing is valid.

"The European countries have half of what we do and a lot of that is contributed to better enforcement of the traffic laws. "

Its a lot harder to get a license in other countries.

" I fear that frequent restarts will burn up the starter."

Don't worry about it. Where I work a lot of times we run our trucks round the clock and we have to shut them off when we park them and get out.
I figure a truck that runs 24 hours a day, which quite a few do will get started as much as 100 times a day. You would think we would go through starters like tanks full of fuel but no. This insane amount of starter use maybe cuts the life of the starter in half. Funny thing is the ignition switch usually goes bad before the starter does.
The worse thing we do with the starter is double starts, where we start move the truck about 5 or 6 feet stop it and then start it again with in 30 seconds and we do this a lot, it racks 1/3 to 1/2 of our 100 starts per day.

If your starter does wear out replace it with one with a life time warranty from auto zone or advanced auto. So when it goes bad again it costs $0 to replace.
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 10:02:46 AM

Hyper-intense.
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Dennis783
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 7:53:22 AM

good for you
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pinbuster2005
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 6:59:57 AM

hotrod - "Maybe the most economical, but I wouldn't say that was the safest way to drive. The safest way is to flow with other traffic - go the same speed as everyone else. That means using the throttle and the brakes at the appropriate times. That, driving defensively, and being acutely aware of where other vehicles are and where they are going."

That's where a lot of the problems are today. If traffic laws were better enforced and people followed them like they should there would be fewer accidents especially fatal ones on our highways. If you want proof of that just look at the accident rates per 100,000 automobiles between the US and most European countries. The European countries have half of what we do and a lot of that is contributed to better enforcement of the traffic laws.

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pinbuster2005
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 6:53:15 AM

I've always done some basic hypermiling since I started driving and have always gotten better fuel economy than the automobile I was driving was rated for. All simple things that people can do.

1.) avoid excessive idling - I've never warmed up my automobile, Use the drive-thru, or leave my automobile running while I'm in the store. To me it's a waste of fuel. Start and go in the morning (scrape windows if there is frost). Park and go inside at the bank or fast food joint most of the time it's faster than the drive-up. Granted I understand if your handicapped or have more than one child using the drive up but other than that park and go inside.

2.) Avoid in town/city driving as much as possible - I like to take if I have to go from one end of the city to the other to do errands without stops in between is get on the highway that goes around the city instead of going thru the city. Even if I have to double back a half mile it's still faster plus I don't have to deal with as many lights and the city traffic.

3.) Drive the speed limit - This is a no brainer. By driving the speed limit your rpms are going to be lower thus giving you better fuel economy. Plus by driving slower it gives you more reaction time if an animal jumps out on the road or if something happens you have better reaction time because it will take less time to slow down or stop.

4.) Do regular routine maintenance - Again a no brainer. By doing your routine maintenance your automobile is going to be running at peak performance and give you the best possible fuel economy.

5.) don't drive around the parking lot waiting for the closest spot to open up. - I Take the first spot I find even if it's raining or snowing.

There are a few of the things I do. I don't follow trucks real close for drafting to me that's too dangerous because remember if you can't see their mirrors they can't see you and following that close you have no time to react if something happens.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 3:58:51 PM

contiki: "What a stupid unsafe way to drive to try and save a bit of gas........ "

--Stupid? Hardly. This style of driving is actually the result of intelligent consideration of the possibilities when consciously taking control of driving habits rather than giving them no consideration.

Unsafe? Not so sure. Is it safer to be one of the ones who approach a light at maximum speed only to depend on the brakes/road surface/other drivers not making unexpected lane changes for a last-instant stop while racing every other immature driver to be the first one to wait; or is it safer to let all the impatient ones go and coast toward a red light with more room to stop and greater distance between the vehicles?

"A bit of gas"? Try doing the math before you assume it's not worth it:

My savings are significant. For city driving my car is rated to get 21. But with hypermiling I get 31. If I drive 15,000 miles per year in the city at 21 mpg it would take 714 gallons. If I get 31 mpg it would only take 484 gallons. If gas costs $3.25 a gallon then 714 gallons costs me $2320.50. But 484 gallons only costs me $1573. My savings is $747.50 per year. If I own the car for 5 years and continue to get these savings I have saved a total of $3737.50.

Not hypermiling:..................Hypermiling:
21 mpg............................31 mpg
15K miles -> 714 gallons..........15K miles -> 484 gallons
@ $3.25/gal = $2320.50............@ $3.25 /gal = $1573.00
Savings/yr = 0 ...................Savings/yr = $747.50
Savings/ 5 yrs = 0 ...............Savings/ 5 yrs = $3737.50

This does not figure the additional savings of reduced wear on brakes and tires. I get 65K miles on brake pads and 70K miles on a set of tires with hypermiling.

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pghbill: "what exactly [is] hypermilling? "

Adjust your driving habits to maximize mpg.

City driving:

Accelerate moderately. Avoid both hard acceleration and taking too long to reach high gear. Your car gets the best mileage in top gear. Learn to recognize when it shifts. My car gets the best mileage at 43 mph. That's when it shifts into high gear. Best case is constant speed with no stops or starts. Acceleration uses the most gas. If you don't stop then you don't have to accelerate. Try to anticipate and time the traffic signals. Look well ahead. If the light is red take your foot off the gas. Sooner the better; as long as you have enough momentum to get there. What you want is to time it so the light turns green while you are still coasting towards it. The traffic waiting at the light takes off and you simply ease back up to speed right behind them and never stop. Hint: You'll want to favor the middle and right lane to let all the me-firsts by and watch your rear-view more.

Avoid parking where you have to back up. Backing up wastes gas. Pull-thru parking is best. Park out by the street and walk across the lot to the building. That's less driving and the exercise is good. When you get back to your vehicle you can look out into the street to see if it is clear before starting the engine. If heavy traffic and you can't go then don't start the engine yet. Wait until it is almost clear or clear to pull out. Put the gear shift in neutral before starting. As soon as it reaches 1000 rpm drop it in gear and go. You want to get some miles for every second the engine is running.

When approaching a turn ease off the gas to slow to the correct speed for turning without using the brake. Learn how fast you can take each turn. My car does left turns at 25mph and right turns at 18 mph.

Keep your tires inflated as high as safely allowable if you can stand the hard ride. Keep your car empty of extra weight and tuned with fresh filters.

Highway driving:

Avoid high speeds. Find a follow vehicle and get behind it at a safe distance. A truck is best. Turn engine off and coast into rest areas. Avoid AC if possible. Keep the windows up and use the AC or just crack them slightly. Turn the AC on when going downhill, off when going uphill. Run the AC at full setting until you feel too cold, then turn it off until you need it again. You can run the fan on recirc for some more cool air for a while after the AC is off. The compressor runs as long as you have it on, no matter what the temp setting. The compressor is what hurts your mpg.

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Camry05: "You don't need to use all the tricks of hypermiling, even some of them will help. "

--Agree. Some people put their car in neutral while coasting because it idles lower. I fear that it will tear up the tranny doing all that shifting. So I don't do that. Some turn the engine off while coasting. I fear that frequent restarts will burn up the starter. So I don't do that either. Some advocate pushing the car in/out of parking spaces to keep the engine off. I have experimented with this but generally only do it if aided by a hill. I do try to take advantage of hills for parking, either using them to get into or out of a space with the engine off. I also have learned exactly when I can use momentum to reach my destination so I can turn the engine off (sometimes a block or more away) and coast the rest of the way. My car steers OK without the power steering and the power brakes have one power assisted stop chrage left in them after the engine is off. The brakes still also work fine without the power assist. You just have to push the pedal harder.

The AC on/off trick annoys my passengers so I only do that when I'm alone.

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 10/24/2013 4:01:35 PM EST]
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daytourer
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 3:13:55 PM

I find that looking way ahead if there is a traffic light changing to red,I simply back off the gas. Usually,by the time I get there,the light has changed and traffic is allready moving.Why speed up or maintain speed to stop later?

[Edited by: daytourer at 10/21/2013 3:15:27 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 3:11:54 PM

DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PLAY DRIVING GAMES
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borsht
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 1:46:07 PM

coast down hill to get better mileage. Some points to consider:

1) You loss some control over your speed,
2) You wlll wear your brakes a lot faster.
3) If you have a car where the gas is shut off when going down hill. you can't beat the economy of burning no gas. In addition to saving money on brake pads.
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foreyearrunner
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2013 12:24:30 PM

Im still convinced that driving in gear and releasing the gas saves more gas than shifting to neutral for coasting. Big difference in my automatic car.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2013 6:50:40 AM

What a stupid unsafe way to drive to try and save a bit of gas........
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Camry05
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 11:41:11 PM

You don't need to use all the tricks of hypermiling, even some of them will help.
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pghbill
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2013 1:51:32 AM

what exactly hypermilling?
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 4:18:54 PM

"On the highway try to find a good follow vehicle. Trucks are best and big SUV's also work."

On the highways out here in WY, I always try to do that, but it has nothing to do with keeping a constant speed and everything to do with letting them hit the deer instead of me.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 3:53:23 PM

On the highway try to find a good follow vehicle. Trucks are best and big SUV's also work. It is not neccesary to tailgate. Set the proper safe follow distance and stay there. Afollow vehicle which speeds up and slows down a lot is no good. Steady speed is best.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 12:14:22 PM

I agree with hoopitup and BartandLisa, speeding up to slam on the brakes costs more in gas and repairs. However, most of the time driving a steady 40 or 50 mph isn't safe, because other vehicles are going much faster. I won't compromise my safety or my family's safety for a few cents, or even a few bucks, at the gas pump. Most of the hypermiling techniques are at best annoying, and at worst fatal. In traffic, I do what's safest; on the highway, I go as fast as it is safe and legal to do (I may bend that legal part a little).
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hoopitup2000
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 7:05:22 AM

It's all about momentum. Most people just don't use their brain when driving. They think if they race up to red lights & slam on the brakes, they will reach their destination faster. I guess it keeps the guys at Midas happy!!
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BartandLisa
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Message Posted: Aug 8, 2013 6:53:53 AM

The easiest trick for me is to maintain a steady speed as much as possible, while gauging traffic conditions and anticipating changes. It's the repeated acceleration that eats the fuel. Holding a steady 40 or 50 or 60 is much more efficient, whatever the sweet spot of the vehicle driven.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 11:00:18 AM

"My Dad taught me, 64 years ago, that the safest driver (and the most economic driver) was the one who used his brakes the least!"

Maybe the most economical, but I wouldn't say that was the safest way to drive. The safest way is to flow with other traffic - go the same speed as everyone else. That means using the throttle and the brakes at the appropriate times. That, driving defensively, and being acutely aware of where other vehicles are and where they are going.

[Edited by: HotRod10 at 7/29/2013 11:02:53 AM EST]
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 11:39:04 PM

SemiSteve..! I LOVE your predicted Bumper Sticker wording, it's very appropriate for any areas.
Keep trying for some more!.............
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beachguy46
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 10:27:29 PM

I HYPERMILE IN MY 1984
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Countryman2013
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 9:17:52 PM

My Dad taught me, 64 years ago, that the safest driver (and the most economic driver) was the one who used his brakes the least!
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 7:02:53 PM

gas prices were going up a lot long before 4 years ago.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 5:53:22 PM

I started hypermiling when prices hit $4. Took about 3 weeks of consciously adjusting my driving habits until the new habits became the norm. Now I don't have to think about it. It's my normal way of driving.

The biggest gains are city driving. It's all about timing the stoplights. Try to never use the brakes. Look very far ahead to estimate the next light sequence. If you can't see the light itself look for the cross traffic. Heavy slow cross traffic means they just got the green. Light faster cross traffic means they are about to get the red.

I find myself leaving a very great stopping distance. This allows me the best view of upcoming signals. It also leaves plenty of space for the 'me-firsts' to try to zoom into. I always leave them a way to pass so they don't ride my bumper. If you prevent aggressive drivers from getting past you they will tailgate you. Try to stay right. (some idiots will tailgate anyway if they are about to make a right. Nothing you can do about them but the don't do it for long).

My car is rated 21 city. I usually get 31. Driving times are about the same as before I began hypermiling. Once in a while I get stuck by a light but not often. Many times I can go all the way across town and never wait at a stoplight once! That's nice.

My best ever was 42 (hwy - before ethanol, nice weather, no AC, tailwind, stayed behind trucks but not too close).

Some think hypermiling would be very annoying. It probably is - for other drivers. I find it very low-stress if done correctly. I do watch my rear view like a hawk. Sometimes when they set up for a close near-collision pass I swerve outta the way at just the last instant. Ya never know if they really know what they are doing of if they are drunk/drugged/distracted/fatigued.

I am constantly amused by the immature 'me-firsts.' They go through all this crazy stuff just to be the first one to wait at the stoplight. It is almost as if they can't wait to wait!

They want to be the first one to wait at the light so they pass everybody and then try to out-brake them at the last instant. Then they have to sit there while everybody they passed comes right up with them. Meanwhile I time it all out and never stop; but I make it through on the same green signal.

I'd like to have a bumper-sticker:

"How red does the next light have to be before you'll take your foot off the gas?"

Seems like most drivers wait until the last instant and their foot goes right from the gas to the brake.

I've also found that tires and brakes last far longer. More savings. I am guessing everything on the car does, engine included. My car has a 1/4 million miles on it, still runs fine.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 12:25:53 PM

I will coast (my car sometimes runs higher RPM's for some reason which allows me to get off of the gas and coast further...or "coast") to save gas. I will also draft on the freeway or long trips, although not super close. That is about the extent of what I do. My '98 Mustang (V6 hardtop automatic) has gotten up to 29.5 MPG...much higher than the estimates
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 9:56:37 AM

"DIEHARDER2 writes: . . . Putting the tranny in neutral forces fuel to the engine to maintain idle.
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Not necessarily, I coast frequently and I take my transmission out of gear but the engine still runs at about 1100 RPM."

In gear or in neutral, the net effect is about the same. In gear, if the ECM cuts out the fuel, the engine will hold the vehicle back, so you're not really "coasting". In neutral, you're using fuel to keep the engine running, but the vehicle gains more momentum. I'd say neutral would be slightly better unless you have to brake to keep your speed down; then you might as well leave it in gear. Really, it's negligible either way.

The way to make a real dent in your gas usage is to drive fewer miles by combining your trips and planning your route.
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2013 8:05:34 AM

Hmm ok
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 11:57:07 AM

CUMMINS_DIESEL: You must be referring to my comments of 19-June as near as I can figure. The implication of the argument I responded to was that if one has a diesel, hypermiling is unnecessary thus my response.

You argue that you take less of a mileage hit with your heavily loaded truck than your friend does with his heavily loaded Subaru. This may be true but there is still a very real incentive to hypermile (realistically) with any car with any type of engine because you save money and reduce pollution. In fact with diesel's higher price tag, you get more of a payback by saving a gallon of diesel that we do when we save a gallon of gasoline.
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 8:12:17 AM

Info to tuck away...but
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 2:22:37 AM

@Houckster

I get an average of 22-23mpg (hand calculated) in my Dodge Ram MegaCab (6.7 liter diesel). Friend's Subaru gets 28mpg, with only him in it. He uses premium, which is right on par (slightly less) with diesel prices.

When he loads up four people to carpool (all that can fit in his car), his fuel economy takes a dump...down to 21mpg. Everyone onboard is cramped and unhappy (large men).

I load up 6 large men, with a LOT more room (even to spare), safety, and utility, all while only dropping to 20mpg.

Sorry, I'll take diesel truck. Sure when driving by myself, the efficiency isn't equal, but then neither is the utility.

I'll take a hit on efficiency for those times that I'm alone in the vehicle with no load, before I'll get into a cramped, albeit more fuel efficient commuter car. Heck, I'd drop into my wife's mini-van before hitting the "ricer" class economy cars.

On the flip side, you couldn't pay me (well maybe you could *PAY* me) to feed the appetite of an equivalent gasser truck.

Now if Subaru would just bring their boxer diesel over here from Europe, I would surely pick one up.
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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 12:02:07 AM

I started long before that. I drove a 1985 dodge colt with 1.4 lit gas engine from Georgetown, ont to Oshawa, ont and never left the full mark. I turned to diesel cars after that
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2013 1:42:25 PM

Hypermiling is not a waste of time. First of all, in urban settings where the benefit is greatest, there's very little if any difference in the ETA of a jackrabbit driver vs the hypermiler.

Then there's the benefits to the car including much better gas mileage coupled with much reduced wear on the car providing significantly better gas mileage, tire mileage, brake mileage and generally reduced wear on the whole vehicle.

Realistic hypermiling helps me average over 4 MPG over the EPA estimate.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2013 9:34:05 AM

This sounds like a waste of time.

I agree with hyeglenn..............
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2013 9:30:48 AM

DIEHARDER2 writes: . . . Putting the tranny in neutral forces fuel to the engine to maintain idle.
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Not necessarily, I coast frequently and I take my transmission out of gear but the engine still runs at about 1100 RPM.
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hyeglenn
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Message Posted: Jun 30, 2013 8:49:35 AM

This sounds like a waste of time.
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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2013 12:38:12 AM

Also about 4 years too.
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2013 2:56:02 PM

"1) Coasting in neutral down hill is my best way to improve mileage on relative steep hills"

Dependiong on the vehicle you drive, this is WRONG. Modern fuel injected cars have the ECM turn off all fuel to the engine when when the car is coasting fast enough to turn the engine with the tranny. The best way to improve mileage is when not using gas at all. Putting the tranny in neutral forces fuel to the engine to maintain idle.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2013 8:13:18 AM

Not interested in doing that.....too much trouble....

I try to be more content with just driving normal.......
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 9:48:02 AM

i started doing this early this year and have got 50-60 miles more to a tank
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 12:43:52 AM

Not saving much coasting as you had to get up that hill
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contiki
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2013 10:22:30 AM

Not worth the trouble..........
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jun 14, 2013 9:28:04 AM

DASSFJ writes: just buy a diesel
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Yeah, that really helps. While you may get more miles per gallon with a diesel, the fuel costs substantially more. There is as much incentive to hypermile with a diesel as with a gasser.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 11:25:26 AM

"I guess all of you folks that coast down hills know that coasting in a vehicle out of gear is against the law of most states."

When they catch me they can give me a ticket.
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dassfg
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 11:20:06 AM

just buy a diesel
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Jun 13, 2013 11:04:38 AM

MERTIEMAN writes: I guess all of you folks that coast down hills know that coasting in a vehicle out of gear is against the law of most states. You do not have full control of a vehicle coasting as the transmission slows down the speed of the engine as well as the brakes. If you are ever in an accident, especially one that is your fault and this is brought into focus as an issue, you will be paying dearly for it. What if all CDL drivers coasted down hills, can you imagine how many deaths would occur on our highways? Think about what you are doing. Also remember that brakes get extremely hot in trying to stop a vehicle that has been coasting. Brakes can and will crystalize causing you to not be able to stop. I have experienced this in fire apparatus on a fire run and it isn't even funny.
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This is carrying an objection to an extreme and that makes it downright silly.

Nobody coasts without regard to the situation at hand. I'm certainly not going to coast down a fire run or anywhere else when to do so would create a hazard and I'm quite sure no one else here will either. Let's keep this conversation realistic.

[Edited by: Houckster at 6/13/2013 11:05:58 AM EST]
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