TULL
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2013 3:29:57 PM
Yes
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weddy11
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2013 9:43:38 AM
No
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jonjon57
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2013 6:53:09 PM
Yelp
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GLM4205
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 8:32:52 PM
Sure
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Shamyne
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 7:57:02 PM
sure
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jnfrancois
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 7:56:39 PM
yes
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streetirsx
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2013 6:44:54 PM
yes
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kylejetta13tdi
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:35:52 AM
I love both of my diesels
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:34:40 AM
Not until the facilities to convert natural gas to diesel come online.
Diesel costs more than gasoline because those who use diesel have to have it at any price. The value of diesel used to deliver groceries is still much greater than its price.
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FocusFree
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 6:57:45 AM
The new generation of diesels are great, but the best ones are still not in North America. I rented a Ford Focus in the UK last year and didn't realise it was a diesel until it came time to fuel it. It was a better engine than my VW clean diesel turbo and got even better mileage. If only the fuel prices reflected reality and were cheaper than gas...
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chipote
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 4:39:25 AM
Yes
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hyeglenn
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 11:01:57 PM
yes.
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lyanMI
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 1:01:37 PM
Diesel needs to be a bit cheaper.
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weddy11
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 8:58:30 AM
No
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 7:47:21 AM
I would definitely like to see more turbo-diesel options.
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IAMCANADIAN73
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 6:33:37 AM
Nope
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IAMCANADIAN73
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 6:33:27 AM
No
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chipote
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 5:18:58 AM
Yes
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ricebike
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 12:21:15 AM
no
maintenance costs more for a diesel
it'll drive up the price of D even higher since most of the transport industry uses diesel power right now (and a barrel of crude yeilds ~10 gallons of D vs ~20 gallons of gasoline)
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 11:40:26 PM
NO, I don't want everyone to use diesel. It will start driving the prices wild like gasoline. I like having stable prices for months. Don't join the club ;).
the1Roadhog, sorry to hear you got bit by the same thing my dad did with his Buick. That thing sucked!! So I was really not listening too much about 'modern diesels' until I took a short road trip (750 miles) in one and didn't realize it until it was my turn to fill up.
Crap !! Not what I was expecting. So I bit the bird and tried one; VW TDI. Other than the cold morning starts as a little shaky on some really cold mornings, I don't mind the 42+ MPG. Ask me 5 years ago if I'd buy a diesel, I know my answer was " No F'n way". Not so true today.
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jonjon57
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 9:42:43 PM
Yes
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WEDDY
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 5:14:18 PM
No
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chipote
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:06:10 PM
Yes
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trunks2834
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 9:08:14 PM
Yes, I just bought a VW TDI and am loving the fuel economy even with the high fuel prices. All I have to say is I feel sorry for all those people driving those vehicles the require premium gas because it is at a higher price than diesel here.
Gvan, where did you hear that bs about the chevy cruise? If you go to the chevy website, both of the available powertrains are gas. I have given up on gm all together, they can't seem to get their act together to make a decent vehicle anymore. The last "decent" vehicles that gm made was probably in 01 or maybe even 99.
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the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 8:56:39 AM
Not after my experience with a dog diesel Bonneville back in the 80s
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GLM4205
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 6:25:20 AM
Yes as long as diesel price is low..
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dgsteven
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 3:13:58 AM
yes
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LKnight598
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:17:26 PM
yes
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DHomz
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:54:03 PM
"No, diesels are more complicated engines when it comes to keeping emissions down.
No one is ever going to save much money with a diesel compared to a gasser when the cost differential between a diesel and its fuel is compared to a gas-engine car and its fuel."
...for real? Come to Canada. Diesel is currently at 15 cents per litre higher than gasoline right now. This summer it was 7 or 8 cents lower than gas. I get 700 miles per tank in my TDI Jetta as opposed to my friend's 450 miles per tank in his gasser. Oil changes in my TDI are every 10,000 miles, so 1/3 of the normal rate even if it costs me $70 per change.
Maintenance for me has been less in my diesel than any gas powered car I have ever owned. I have had gassers and diesels, and my far the diesel will outlast the gas engine, much better fuel economy and way less electronic crap to go wrong on the diesel.
I will most likely never go back to a gas engine unless it can get me 45-50 mpg (US gallons) like my Jetta can. I'm talking non-hybrid too. At the same time lasting over 400,000 miles without batting an eye.
My sister lives overseas and drives a TDI Audi. It gets 43 mpg in a full size car. What does an A6 gas engine get here, maybe 26 mpg at best? I say make all vehicles here available with diesel like over there. Mind you their price of diesel is the exact opposite of that in the US...about 40 cents a litre cheaper than gas.
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jonjon57
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 10:43:36 AM
Yes
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chipote
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 6:45:33 AM
Yes
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AKCastleman
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 6:02:43 AM
Popular in the U.S. What are you talking about? The U.S. government will not let Toyota sell their 40 mpg mid sized intercooled turbo diesels. They are called HiLux in Thailand and they are all over the place because they blow away gas trucks. You can even buy a brand new Ford Ranger with a turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel engine. It is way better than the 14 mpg truck they sell to us, thanks to uncle Sam. Americans are getting screwed by our govenment. Diesel is cheaper in Thailand because it is cheaper to make than gasoline. Diesel is less refinded it should be cheaper. LP gas is even cheaper in Thailand than diesel. Toyota sells its HiLux diesels all over the world except the US. Maybe there needs to be an ivestigation of who is behind this. EPA?
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WEDDY
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:05:06 AM
No
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:48:49 PM
Furthermore, with regard to the price of diesel, that is determined primarily by the free market, not by the federal government. The federal tax on diesel is not much higher than that for gasoline, 18.4 cents vs 24.4 cents.
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Houckster
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:39:18 PM
No, diesels are more complicated engines when it comes to keeping emissions down.
No one is ever going to save much money with a diesel compared to a gasser when the cost differential between a diesel and its fuel is compared to a gas-engine car and its fuel.
Any well-done CPM analysis will reveal that the diesel is at a severe disadvantage.
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AALIX writes: Yes, seems federal government is bucking the popular trend in other countries about popularity of diesel vehicles by making diesel price more expensive than regular gasoline.
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This is simply not valid. The EPA requires that each car be able to meet emissions standards regardless of the engine. There is no discrimination here. If the diesel car can pass the emissions standards, it can be sold here. Diesel engines are NOT entitled to a lower emissions standard just because they get better mileage.
[Edited by: Houckster at 2/9/2013 8:44:35 PM EST]
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aalix
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 2:54:05 AM
Yes, seems federal government is bucking the popular trend in other countries about popularity of diesel vehicles by making diesel price more expensive than regular gasoline.
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ProfDude
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 11:06:19 PM
I am a definite diesel power fan, but think that significantly greater popularity may do just one thing - offer more car and light truck buying options to the few of us who are already so inclined.
Unless diesels correspondingly become more widely accepted in the mass market, we may just continue to see more wars of alternative fuels.
Given the choice, I would also like to see more development of natural gas powered cars (and fueling stations) as well as electric cars with a decent range and lower cost level.
(I currently own two diesel sedans.)
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Mr1lung
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 10:00:58 PM
NO
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 9:12:34 PM
Would love to have a wrangler diesel...
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paullypuiu
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 7:51:00 PM
I wish toyota trucks had.
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 1:32:37 PM
More abundance of diesel power could drive those prices higher by demand,seems logical.
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DesertRat2011
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:33:01 PM
Yes I think the GM Cruze diesel will help.
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metsghia
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 9:22:35 AM
Yes In my opinion the fuel economy greatly offsets the price difference of the fuel. The selection of diesels here is very limited. I wish we could get some of the great diesels in Europe and I understand maybe we will since Europe is tightening the emissions on diesels comparable to the US.
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OilerFan
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 8:18:02 AM
I'd like to see more TDI-based vehicles, including small trucks, but they only seem to be available overseas.
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chipote
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 4:06:43 AM
Yes
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sagnat
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 12:34:35 AM
The selection I had to choose from may have been limited compared to the Euro market but I made the right choice. Yes, diesel is more expensive per gallon than RUG but my MPG per gallon still comes out cheaper to run diesel than gas, getting better than 40% better mileage and cost per gallon is about a 20% higher.
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stevenll
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:43:35 PM
Diesel is $4.30 a gallon in San Jose, CA right now.
Gasoline is $3.70 a gallon.
So that's 60 cents more expensive right now.
Who knows what the price difference will be years from now.
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GrumpyCat
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:50:12 PM
No.
I have one diesel and one gasoline automobile.
I do not wish there to be more diesel vehicles because there is a limited supply of diesel already being strained making diesel prices so much higher than gasoline.
There is a natural split of gasoline + diesel that can be had easily from a barrel of crude oil. The division can be rubbered a bit either way at extra cost. Europe finds it easier and cheaper to export excess gasoline and import diesel to meet their needs. Much of our northeast gasoline was refined in Europe. European refineries are part of the reason why northeastern refineries are being shut down due to costs of regulations and upgrades. Cheaper to buy from Europe.
The current natural gas situation is looking good for diesel. Its economically practical to make synthetic diesel from natural gas. $6 million/BTU is roughly the equivalent of $100/barrel crude oil, and NG is about $2.25 today. But facilities to produce this diesel barely exist. Fools have been spending their money (and government handouts) building ethanol plants.
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chipote
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 4:47:59 AM
Yes
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dgsteven
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 3:14:10 AM
yes
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