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JamCoope

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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2011 10:21:52 AM

Most people agree that cars run more economically once they're warmed up... especially in the cold winter months.

Here's a question: has anyone tested whether it is more economical to let your car warm up by idling in the driveway, or by just letting warm up as you drive?
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2014 6:39:08 AM

Seldom, but on days when my Bones need it, YES! I paid for a heater system in each vehicle, and not to waste that, also remembering those days I didn't even have a H.. system in 3 vehicles.

The word YOUNG makes a difference, and DIY...ing, back then, "thanks" for cardboard! HAGDay!
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HideMKE
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2014 12:43:36 PM

no
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b899
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2014 11:11:22 AM

no
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2014 2:49:42 AM

QUOTE ::::My heated seats are warm within a minute or two. :::



That means a minute or two of sitting on cold brittle seats. Why do you like having a cold hiney? Let it idle first for those 2 minutes. (even though a more reasonable 5min. uses an insignificant amount of fuel.)








[Edited by: Hemond at 12/20/2014 2:50:01 AM EST]
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LogicalApex
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2014 11:11:10 AM

My heated seats are warm within a minute or two. They also run off electric so I can turn them on before I turn the car on. No need to idle.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2014 11:07:04 AM

Heated seats take 5 minutes to get warm. YOu still have to start the engine and let it idle 5 minutes. Heated seats do squat when you first sit down. They only work after the car has been running 5 minutes. They are not instantaneous.
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LogicalApex
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2014 10:41:01 AM

I never warm the car up. This would waste too much fuel and get you no real gains.

I purchased a car with heated seats to remove the slight temptation to even attempt this wasteful practice.

I like sitting in my car dressed for summer while riding by the idling to warm up cars...

The car heats up fastest when driving and heated seats gets you warmed up even faster. All without the nasty hit to the wallet and air.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2014 8:46:50 AM

JohnCur says " Note UPS truck shuts down at each stop....rarely idles "

Where have you been JohnCur.....in New Jersey they do that......not in Canada do UPS trucks shut off the engines of their trucks when delivering.....hardly the case at all......

No delivery service trucks have I ever see shut off their trucks during delivers, not unless they are finished for the day....



[Edited by: contiki at 12/19/2014 8:49:44 AM EST]
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2014 8:43:08 AM

We like to warm up my 2003 Honda Accord and my wife's new 2014 Honda Civic LX in these cold mornings here in Ontario............

We always warm up our vehicles over the many winter months....
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Glew123
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2014 2:47:27 AM

probably only needed in the older vehicles.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2014 2:17:27 AM

QUOTE :::: Idling uses a lot of gas. ::::
Offer proof of this statement.





QUOTE :::Note UPS truck shuts down at each stop....rarely idles:::


UPS trucks don't use gas, they use diesel. The company policy is to prevent drive off theft. The driver locks the door to deliver your item.

Notice just about every truck, locomotive, ship, firetruck, bucket truck, bus is left idling. Hardly rarely idling. More like routinely left idling.





[Edited by: Hemond at 12/19/2014 2:18:01 AM EST]
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JohnCur
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2014 12:14:19 AM

I vote for letting it warm up as you drive. Idling uses a lot of gas. Note UPS truck shuts down at each stop....rarely idles
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Mikeyl
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 9:21:33 PM

Rarely.
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cv
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 6:32:12 AM

After starting my truck, I move off after 30 seconds just to let the oil pressure reach maximum.
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StArrow68
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 5:15:52 AM

It's all in the title, it has nothing to do with any need to warm the engine. Enjoy what you drive.
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twt
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 4:09:21 AM

A waste of fuel. The car will warm up, after five minutes of driving.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 4:54:07 PM

QUOTE ::::it is a waist of fuel to let car sit and idle when dead cold. if it is real cold then maybe let run a minute but to idle for 5 minutes is not good for the engine. hemond: it uses a lot motor than a teaspoon when started and sitting at idle when cold….

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A typical 2.0 l engine uses 0.18gal/hour at idle. This is 1.92 ounces in a 5 minute warmup. Inconsequential. A Nyquil cup is 1 ounce so 2 Nyquil cups of gas is what a basic 4 cylinder engine uses.

Secondly, back up your statement that idling is not good for the engine. That is hogwash. Engines are designed to idle. It is normal to idle. Both cold and warm. Idling is a a design state that engineers test at length. If it was bad to idle, the manufacturer's engineering departments would advise against it. I call BS on your statement.
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Mikeyy1960
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 3:47:54 PM

it is a waist of fuel to let car sit and idle when dead cold. if it is real cold then maybe let run a minute but to idle for 5 minutes is not good for the engine. hemond: it uses a lot motor than a teaspoon when started and sitting at idle when cold….
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hoopitup2000
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 6:36:03 AM

No drama needed. Start it up & go.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 4:26:01 PM

QUOTE ::::MSN article today on why you don't do excessive wam up.::::

With no link, its impossible to discuss this MSN article. While attempting to find the referenced link, I did find plenty of similar articles. Mostly nonsense news puff pieces meant to capture eyeballs. Following the overused, tired out format of "X Things You Should Never Do.....

Here's a typical generic example.

Numbers #2 thru #5 are completely bogus and #1 contradicts #3. THese puff pieces are total nonsense. I'll wager the mysterious MSN piece fits right in with this bush league journalism.


[Edited by: Hemond at 12/16/2014 4:28:26 PM EST]
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 4:02:54 PM

I always make a dash outside to startup and let it warm. I see no reason to sit in a cold car.

Plus gas is plentiful, no reason to spaz out over warming it up. Using a teaspoon of gas while the engine idles 5 minutes is of no consequence.
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redfish67
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 10:22:07 AM

not necessary
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 8:01:27 AM

no
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StArrow68
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 11:17:25 AM

MSN article today on why you don't do excessive wam up.
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hoopitup2000
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 7:51:53 AM

Many long time drivers just can't shake this wasteful habit. They like to keep living in the past.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 7:18:51 AM

We like to warm up our vehicles in the cold weather....
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 12:20:00 AM

I had an old friend at work, he complained about his truck being noisy after a cold start-up. He changed his own oil/filter on a 360 cu in. V/8 He had bought new.

After about 20K miles He said it sounded like rod bearings rattling on a start-up. He always used a filter different than the first few OEM types. I mentioned He should go back to the factory designed one. Maybe at least change to another brand.

The ones He was using were at times bleeding off prime capacity, due to valve (internal) design/filter positioning.
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hoopitup2000
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 6:46:14 AM

Some people insist on warming up their cars just because it's cold out. No frost, no fog on the windows, just cold. They just don't get it. The cabin will warm up MUCH faster if the car is actually moving instead of just sitting there idling. What REALLY gets me is people who warm up their cars when it's warm outside. Wish I had that much free time.
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vabites
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 9:27:33 AM

I will say, my 2002 vehicle has always made a lot of valve train noise when you press the accelerator for the first minute or two when the engine is cool. I think its a known problem with the 5.3 liters from that time frame. I can either let it idle in my driveway/garage for about 90 seconds or idle in gear and take the longer route out of my neighborhood, either way works for me. It actually seems worse on new oil too which is bizarre to me.

[Edited by: vabites at 12/11/2014 9:27:58 AM EST]
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hoopitup2000
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 6:37:18 AM

No, the car warms ups MUCH faster if moving. Case in point-Started car with a water temperature of 35°F. Took only 5 1/2 minutes to get the water temp up to 180°F.
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eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 4:05:19 AM

Don't know but if the car is icy I will be warming it up
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luvmyburgi
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2014 9:27:33 PM

No
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Foolingurself
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2014 3:27:37 PM

Start and drive.
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2014 7:46:06 AM

no
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silverG
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 9:03:40 AM

not really
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 8:55:01 AM

no
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JohnCur
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 9:35:42 AM

when below 25F. or 26F. for 4 or 5 minutes for xmission's sake
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PaylessKY
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 8:46:50 AM

The only reason I warm the car is to clear the windows.
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GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 1:03:19 AM

I will start it so it gets the windows unfrosted....
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Garwoodv6
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 11:15:20 AM

15 seconds before moving, and another 15 seconds at idle speed while I pull out to get the oil everywhere it needs to be... more if the windows are fogged or iced over. That's about it.
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 8:22:11 AM

not usually
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 7:58:58 AM

no
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contiki
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 6:22:14 AM

The cold weather is here in Ontario......

We now warm up our vehicles each morning.......
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 7:24:20 PM

"My windows in a variety of cars dont fog..of course we have real winter here, not the coolish temps you have."

Do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on? Who cares if you live on the edge of a Tundra?

"Also, apparently it is mouth breathers that have problems with foggy windows"

As noted before, you have no clue what my, or anyone elses for that matter, situation is.

I'll keep warming my car up in cold weather for legal and safety reasons...
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 6:31:08 PM

PS.. shockjock, no I do not know what your situation is.. whats your problem?..

My windows in a variety of cars dont fog..of course we have real winter here, not the coolish temps you have.

Also, apparently it is mouth breathers that have problems with foggy windows,
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 6:23:31 PM

Well, below freezing most of the time now... So I dress warmly, go out start the car, buckle up and drive away...absolutely zero mechanical need to "warm the engine" or the oil.. Because its an old vehicle, the auto trans could use a little warming but that only happens as i drive so... its always start and go..no problems, no unnecessary pollution.
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 6:40:44 AM

winter time yes......
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Jackson126
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 5:53:27 AM

a little in the winter
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2014 12:48:36 PM

"Dont know what your situation is"

Obviously a true statement...
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2014 9:39:06 AM

no
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gougedQC
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2014 6:29:32 PM

Dont know what your situation is, but my windows in several cars dont fog, with the defrost set from a dead cold start at well below freezing.. and if they did, crack the window open for a minute and clears up.

Many different cars over the years, none, Hondas, cheve fords, cars, vans.. had a fogging issue.

The only time it fogs if a little snow is left at the bottom of the windshield outside..then that area will not un-fog until the snow is either blown off or wiped off by my hand
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