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Vibe03
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2010 9:12:55 AM

When it is not steep downhill and you don't need to brake the car to slow it down, coasting down around 55 mph at idling gives the engine a rest also save gas. Just not sure if the vacuum and other stuff are operating at normal level
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 12:15:24 PM

What's really "Funny " is that most people labeled as "cheap-skates" they most always often have the extra fuel saved money then to spend on other tangible merchandise that lasts longer then tail-pipe fumes. I Love that benefit... Stay Happy! I drive automatics.... and still extend motion!
JCM54
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 10:54:04 PM

You gotta have a manual transmission car and be true cheapskate.
StArrow68
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 9:13:44 PM

Old wives tales just won't die. Not stupid for anyone who knows what they are doing and not hard on a manual transmission since being in neutral is something they are designed for. Be specific but read back through the thread before posting common wisdom that has very little merit in the real world.
twt
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 3:40:33 PM

Stupid. Hard on the transmission.
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 9:43:17 AM

not me...flatlander!
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 7:49:11 AM

no
BCNU
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 1:26:14 AM

hahaha
b899
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 8:18:40 AM

no
jitsu
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 6:56:13 AM

No way!
dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 6:28:50 AM

My DEFCO circuits probably do go into effect during a release of the go pedal on only some down-grades. With an AWD small size engine it depends on what the tranny is doing in the down-shift-ing of the automatic function of the governor tranny control/ECM monitors/engine rpms, then dropping.

The EFI system is always controlled by the ECM to keep tail-pipe emissions in check, still a 4 cylinder uses very little idle fuel when operating at normal hot on warm days.

I just remember that My vehicle's engine has a near 3:1 advantage to compression brake/kill off momentum speed, when in drive mode, along with drive-train final gearing friction >>> = a fuel disadvantage to ground coverage in mileage. As opposed to a free gravity event(99 MPG. readings) on the FEC indicator @ near 850 RPMs with engine relaxed..... but not Snoring! The alternator also has an somewhat load advantage near 3:1 ratio to decelerate the motion also. A necessary energy(fuel eater) now/then!
Mikeyy1960
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2015 2:46:02 PM

yes
StArrow68
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2015 2:19:33 PM

The theory that removing your foot from the throttle will shut off the gas is subject to some questions. My instant mpg reading when I'm in neutral at 65mph going down a slight off ramp climbs all the way to 99mpg, while when I just take my foot off the gas the reading only gets up into the mid 80's mpg. Some how the engineer that programmed the system doesn't seem to think that the gas flow is shut off when decelerating in gear. But then again I'm not an engineer.
Enjoy what you drive.
b899
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2015 8:45:14 AM

no
b899
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BCNU
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ggg452
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2015 11:53:42 AM

No...driver control?????
Gabilondo
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2015 10:58:41 AM

I do.
b899
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no
b899
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no
SRT8TX
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No
Newfoundlander
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 9:00:12 PM

nope
JohnCur
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 11:49:13 AM

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Vin63
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 10:44:39 AM

No, my common rail fuel injection stops injecting fuel when in gear going downhill. Shifting to neutral sets the fuel system to idle and burns fuel.
MustangGas1964
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2015 2:22:56 PM

they say it is bad for auto. trans.
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2015 11:30:16 AM

no
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No
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2015 5:09:41 PM

No hills lately,few down-grades, Happy with that, and BRrrrr..... weather!
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2015 1:57:43 AM

NO.
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No
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b899
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xmstr
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2015 8:02:55 AM

I drive a car with a manual transmission and I tried this for a couple weeks when gas prices were nearing $4/gallon a couple years ago. I never really noticed any increase in mileage. Not worth it IMHO.
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2015 6:05:48 AM

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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2015 9:10:01 AM

No
dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2015 9:07:50 AM

I can agree with the vehicle engine acting like a compressor resisting/killing the vehicle's momentum. That momentum which was just previously put into use by a fuel energy cost, a required cost, tail-pipe energy gone when the go pedal was released. Saves brakes.

My vehicles do the same as designed, but when in N... mode travel much farther in mileage per any partial idle minimum cost during compression braking left in drive mode. Repeat resuming momenyum..... = costs.

The much older Over-Drive trannies of the "50's" released the compression drag down effect, that was used in std. transmissions then. Momentum back then was sustained while fuel was near $.17 per gal. I think the common new developed bicycle coaster brake system was a clue for saving fuel. It worked as good as the Water Wheel.
b899
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2015 9:08:17 AM

no
Calavera
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2015 4:21:29 PM

Nope, I don't think it is good to do that with an automatic transmission. I will let my foot off the gas or give it a very slight amount of gas to gain extra speed so I don't have to give it much or any pedal to make it back uphill
speedfreek
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2015 11:49:08 AM

If you have an automatic with electronic fuel injection, rolling downhill should put the ecm into 100% fuel trim so you're not using any fuel and the engine is acting as a compressor...
Skyjunky
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2015 6:22:41 AM

nope
hoopitup2000
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2015 6:16:28 AM

Rarely. Would rather DFCO when possible.
sparrowfan
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2015 5:32:09 AM

lots of times, but not to save the gas
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2015 1:41:01 AM

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StArrow68
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2015 7:36:51 PM

Really not a big deal as noted before. In a manual transmission vehicle, as long as you rev match there is also no load on the Tranny or Clutch. Just have to know what you are doing, it seems many are not aware of what their cars are capable of.
b899
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2015 9:08:02 AM

no
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