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Delboy_Derek
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Message Posted: May 25, 2010 12:05:30 PM

In the U.K. a lot of drivers have moved over to driving diesel engine cars for better economy.
Here is the car I drive in Scotland.

40 + mpg (US gallon size)
Ford Mondeo Estate (Station Wagon)
Engine 1.8 litre TDCI Diesel
0 - 60 > 12 secs
Top speed 125 mph

Location > Hamilton Scotland
Latest gas price today in Hamilton, Scotland = $6.06 / US Gallon size

http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Mondeo
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clhall87
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 2:06:17 PM

i do vw golf don't smell
Tucsonhomes
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 12:35:17 PM

Ever is a long time
I'm waiting for hydrogen
drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 11:55:46 AM

@Les4HDTV, No really. I believe in Capitalism. I'm with Milton Friedman all the way, but the stark reality is I'm also an American who lives in America. If I can better my country in keeping the economy moving with low fuel prices, I would try to help. You can drive your Prius and I can drive both by Diesel Mercedes and my Honda Hybrid. It's America and I can drive whatever I want and I won't tell others what to do.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 8:13:08 AM

no
badbobKY
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 4:03:13 AM

yes
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 5:51:19 PM

"Capitalism's ugly cousin sells our cheap fuel abroad."
Are you serious, Degree-Force? Let me get this straight. You are obviously not a Capitalist. So I make a new law that says you can't sell your nice used car outside of your own neighborhood. So now you find fewer buyers and you will no longer get a fair price for your car. Or you have to trade it to one particular used car dealer. I am so sure that when you do trade or sell your fine automobile, you ask the absolutely lowest Black Book price that you can possible afford so as not to be seen buy your customer as a greedy Capitalist. I am impressed with your notion of "Capitalists". Never saw anyone try to sell me a car that didn't act like a capitalist. So if you are not a capitalist, call me when you need to sell your car. I love cheap gas and cheap used cars...

Finally: No on Diesel cars - No to expensive euro technology, fuel too expensive, expensive to maintain vs. gas, and too low in resale value compared even to Hybrids, per Edmonds.com.

[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 3/4/2015 5:53:03 PM EST]
twt
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 2:49:29 PM

No. They smell.
BCNU
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 5:49:37 AM

yes
iamjoekewl
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 11:29:24 PM

sure why not
soldat6
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 4:17:17 PM

yes, especially if the price is right.new diesel engines are much better.
JohnCur
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 11:10:08 AM

Yes. For many years had a diesel boat - 200 HP Volvo Turbo. Burned only
3 gallons of fuel per hour....very economical. A gas engine would have burned 6 or 7 gallons per hour.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 9:30:34 AM

no
GLM4205
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 5:27:57 AM

Yes
BCNU
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 3:21:37 AM

yes
twt
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 3:39:48 PM

No. They stink.
redfish67
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 1:21:16 PM

yup
poetdog73
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 9:42:17 AM

yes
rrw2709
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 7:51:59 AM

yes
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 7:49:33 AM

no
twt
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 11:22:04 AM

No. They stink.
b899
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 9:17:59 AM

no
WEDDY
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2015 8:50:32 AM

No
b899
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2015 7:36:03 AM

no
Mikeyl
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 5:37:38 PM

Too expensive for me at this point, so no.
drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 5:18:05 PM

With the country awash in natural gas, diesel prices should be lower right? Capitalism's ugly cousin sells our cheap fuel abroad.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/09/news/economy/natural-gas-diesel/
drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 4:48:28 PM

Diesel prices are in large part driven by demand worldwide. Historically, diesel has been cheaper to produce and with the newest technologies even more so. What has caused the prices to change post 1992, is China's entrance into industrialization. The demand from the passenger car may have risen recently worldwide. When compared to the worldwide consumption by commercial overseas shipping, military vehicles/vessels, trucking, and heating oil, the effect from diesel passenger cars is like the blood loss from a mosquito bite. So blaming the rise in fuel prices on Joe Blow for buying a diesel car, is like blaming the mosquito for anemia. Relying on a political rag like Factcheck.org is useless.http://www.trucking.org/News_and_Information_Reports_Energy.aspx
http://www.nacsonline.com/YourBusiness/FuelsReports/GasPrices_2013/Pages/Why-Diesel-Costs-More-Than-Gasoline.aspx
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-diesel-costs-more-than-gasoline-2013-10
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a4567/4330313/
http://theenergycollective.com/robertwilson190/308896/explosive-growth-steel-production-china-why-it-matters
http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?product=fuel-oil&graph=consumption
https://books.google.com/books?id=FEd8-hrcwKMC&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=1992+diesel+consumption+china&source=bl&ots=K6uOQR2yQN&sig=SZWlJ4ZsBgKpuPcp5wa7KHpcMz4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=N-3sVMjRHIzooASfwIK4CA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=1992%20diesel%20consumption%20china&f=false
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 11:09:59 AM

I've not till now encountered anyone here so desperate that he can't even quote an entire sentence, per chance he can change the meaning of the post. I now place Hillbilly in the comedian category, with nothing serious to add to this conversation.

BTW: I pick the most reliable vehicles I can find because they hold their values so well, I can afforded to trade them each every couple of years just to keep up with technology, and convenience.
Hillbilly will probably be driving his diesel road wagon when it is totally obsolete. Buy American made - keep Americans working...
OilerFan
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 7:40:13 AM

I would. TDIs get great mileage, and the cost of diesel wont be high forever. They get more of it out of a barrel than they do gasoline. Diesel was significantly lower than gasoline prior to 9/11. The refineries upped production on gasoline and lowered production on diesel, and that's why diesel costs more now. It wont stay that way forever, and as more people drive diesels, that will drive the costs down.
oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 11:05:18 PM

Les4hdtv Sez...
Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 12:03:22 PM
>> Please note that this is a discussion about Diesel cars, not about the value of diesel vs. Gas vehicles...

What do they call one that says one thing and then does the other.

As far as your trip shopping...50 MPG one way and 34 the other...
Sorry "Sunshine" the difference between a 50 degree garage and sitting outside on an 80 degree day makes very little difference in a car and it's mileage. Anything below 190 degrees is "below operating temperature" and therefore some very minute difference in mileage.

If memory serves me correctly, you were bragging sometime back about being able to make it from that store to your house on electric only if you caught the lights just right.

If it was me I'd turn around and drive back to the store and see what mileage got with the engine at operating temperature. If you still get the same I'd check the elevation of the stores. Chances they're at a higher elevation and your trip home is slightly downhill. If it's not that then I'd be talking to your Toyata service department.

If you are getting 50 MPG "average" in a Camry Hybrid you should "Gold Plate" it call Toyota... I'm sure they'll want to check it out.

LES sez...
The slower you go, the longer you are subjected to the negative gravity pulling you backwards at the quantity = Gravity time the Sine of the angle of attack, called "Grade".

"LMAO" showed this to my grandson (13yrs old) He "LHAO"

<<QUESTIONS "LES" NEEDS TO ANSWER>> You bought a 2010 Hybrid but then you just bought a 2013/2014 Camry "Non Hybrid" ???
I've read that a majority of Hybrid owners don't buy another, is there some truth to that?***

I decided to unblock you just to see if there was any useful information being shared. But as usual it's the same diesel bashing and hybrid bragging and mis-information through cherry picking and omission of the facts.

I will be returning you to that status. I'll recheck in a year to see if it has improved. (Congratulations on reaching 11,040 points in 11+ years)

auf Wiedersehen...or maybe I should say ja mata ne...

[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 2/23/2015 11:08:12 PM EST]
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 3:46:21 PM

55 MPG Hwy with a VW Rabbit Diesel before it starting falling apart.

We are getting ~34 MPG driving in city (cold start) in a Camry XLE 4-cyl Hybrid to the shopping district. She is getting 50+ MPG coming back (hot start).
Same path home! When you turn off the engine, the computer posts your trip MPG automatically. If you get over 40 MPG, it posts the words EXCELLENT!

Disclaimer: Car is kept in a semi-heated garage (never goes below 50 degrees). The colder the start the lousier the MPG posted. But that is true for all gas engines. Not sure what cold weather does for a diesel MPG?

[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 2/23/2015 3:47:24 PM EST]
RalphHightower
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 10:59:41 AM

Maybe
WEDDY
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 8:50:41 AM

Not at this time. They are not cost efficent.
Straitliner
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 6:17:29 AM

No.
joat264
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2015 11:12:09 AM

No thanks
JohnCur
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2015 8:42:52 AM

yes
oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2015 4:17:03 AM

drgeeforce sez...
Diesels serve a specific purpose, to haul, long and hard.

** Not exactly...
Salute your 38,000 miles...we're only around 30,000 miles per year.

Gilbert, AZ ...Fill up with fuel
Drive to Los Angeles, CA then drive back to
Gilbert, AZ
Just under 800 miles... no fuel stops...
Fuel used 16.5 gallon @ $2.20 a gallon...
Cost for trip....$35.xx
48.xx MPG
Kinda puts TDI's in the same ballpark as the Hybrids.

I get a trailer hitch installed next week, I'm waiting to see
just how bad towing will hurt the mileage.
Are their any TDI or Hybrid owners care to share their numbers ??

[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 2/22/2015 4:17:46 AM EST]
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 2:35:33 PM

According to FactCheck.org, the main cause of high prices for diesel fuel is the increase in the production of diesel cars world wide.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/05/diesel-fuel-and-gasoline-costs/
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 2:03:22 PM

Please note that this is a discussion about Diesel cars, not about the value of diesel vs. Gas vehicles in general.
No one said that the use of diesel fuel in cars is significant and therefore causing a significant increase in the cost of diesel. And if they did, they are toying with words because you can't quantify the use of the word "significant".
BTW - I'm surrounded by mountains and I always take the fast lane on the interstate when driving the Hybrid XLE. Unlike Honda, at least Toyota did NOT lie about the MPG on that baby...

Quiz: Why run a mountain like a stripped @$$ Ape?

Ans: The slower you go, the longer you are subjected to the negative gravity pulling you backwards at the quantity = Gravity time the Sine of the angle of attack, called "Grade".

[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 2/21/2015 2:04:41 PM EST]
drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2015 12:50:23 PM

Diesels serve a specific purpose, to haul, long and hard. My business takes me on the road about 38,000 mi per year, going up steep hills and often carrying/towing heavy loads of equipment. I always drive on the far left lane going up the mountains, because the little four bangers and the hybrids can't ascend steep grades like a turbo diesel can. When I don't plan on carrying loads, I take my Honda Accord Hybrid for the mileage and comfort. Diesel fuel consumed by non-truckers are insignificant compared to the volume utilized by the industry, so any statements contrary are ridiculous. Besides, the majority of the industry buys their fuel in fleet bulk pricing, months in advance. The more you know.

[Edited by: drgeeforce at 2/20/2015 12:55:41 PM EST]
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2015 12:32:51 PM

No - Never Again!
VWDeeZel
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 7:36:14 PM

Luckily yes.

And despite the higher diesel fuel prices, I am still ahead price-wise.
redfish67
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 1:45:14 PM

yup
JohnCur
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 10:21:14 AM

yes
8_Ball2014
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 6:15:32 AM

yes
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 4:57:53 PM

No, Diesel is too expensive and every time some poor Joe buys a diesel car, they are jacking up the price of diesel for the poor truckers that have to have it. Diesel is higher because transportation and construction users require it more than the supply vs. demand curve can support verses the same price as gasoline.
Diesel in a car makes no sense anyway. Diesel is for trucks!
Blown Turbo fans, dirty oil, smelly oily fuel, increased noise and vibration. The facts are hard to avoid...
ggg452
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 11:34:51 AM

no...too expensive.
b899
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 9:20:57 AM

no
8_Ball2014
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2015 6:06:22 AM

yes
WEDDY
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2015 9:05:32 AM

No
xmstr
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2015 8:38:49 AM

yes -- but the increased cost of diesel over gasoline is a huge hurdle for me. In most cases diesel is 20 cents more per gallon than premium.
oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2015 5:37:34 AM

After owning close to 100 cars, trucks, motorcycles in my life. After spending
half my life in the automotive field, with the majority of that being hands on.
I can say this with the utmost honesty...
The vast majority of people (when it comes to cars) enjoy blowing smoke up
your kazoo.
For every thing you gain you loose something.

New cars vs old cars........whatever your finances dictate.
How much I pay for fuel.....Really depends on how much you drive.
If you drive less than a couple hundred miles a month then don't
get drawn into the hype.

Gas vs Diesel vs Hybrid... now we get to the whizzing contest....

Gas advantage:
Small “micro cars” are very cheap to own/drive.
If your comfortable driving driving and riding in a small car then “Do It”
they are definitely the cheapest way to go when buying a new car...
With prices under $20,000.00 and Gas Mileage in the 35-40MPG they're hard to beat.
Maintenance cost is average for most mini cars.

Hybrid advantage:
Best gas mileage if you stay with the “King” the Prius...
Any other vehicle is a major compromise....
You can't beat a Hybrid in city “Gridlock”
Much more aligned to those that See's driving as a necessary evil....
Prius is a very comfortable car
Not necessarily fun on the backroads if you are so inclined ....
Maintenance cost is low unless you have issues with the batteries/Hybrid parts....

Diesel advantage:
Lots of highway effortless miles....
It's hard to beat a diesel on the highway...
Larger more comfortable car or even SUV's known for for over 30MPG...
Extremely low maintenance but higher cost (if your unable to do some of it yourself.)
Good resale value especially if the odometer is over 100,000 miles....
Much more aligned to those that enjoy driving as a pleasure....
Exceptionally easy to exceed EPA's mileage claims.

Test drive the car...Do your own math....Don't listen to me or any other authorities
What's right for you may not be the same as others.
Go into it with an open mind and progress from there.

As far as the cost difference in unleaded to Diesel it takes about 7-8 MPG to off set the additional cost in fuel. What this means is for a 48 MPG mid sized diesel car you need a 40-41mpg mid sized Gas car.

As far as me blocking one certain person... If they knew anything about an automobile other than
what they read or asked someone... If they offered any real world knowledge., and most of all if they
had the ability to see the world as it is instead the way they believe it should be then we might have something in common.



[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 2/17/2015 5:38:49 AM EST]
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