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Delboy_Derek

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Message Posted: May 25, 2010 12:05:30 PM

In the U.K. a lot of drivers have moved over to driving diesel engine cars for better economy.
Here is the car I drive in Scotland.

40 + mpg (US gallon size)
Ford Mondeo Estate (Station Wagon)
Engine 1.8 litre TDCI Diesel
0 - 60 > 12 secs
Top speed 125 mph

Location > Hamilton Scotland
Latest gas price today in Hamilton, Scotland = $6.06 / US Gallon size

http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Mondeo
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VWDeeZel
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 6:30:04 PM

Les4hdtv: "The car was just made for local commuting".

Exactly and Bingo!

I don't work for the post office.
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chocolateflash
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 3:54:53 PM

Would I drive one(a diesel)? Sure, why not try something a bit new(to me). One should experience everything to make any sort of judgement.
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 12:31:19 PM

After driving Diesel for 3.5 years and the wife's Hybrid for 1.5, on and off, and taking extensive data, which I've published at times, I have to tell you that I was extremely impressed with the MPG and programming of the Hybrid. There is NO WAY that you can draw conclusions about one without driving it in all types of weather and seasons. Even Toyota is very guarded about the operational parameters of their systems.

The claim that the engine runs all the time in AZ is incorrect.
Yes if you get into a hot car and drive a short distance, that is true.
NO if you are commuting in the morning. The AC is overbuilt so it runs only when the engine is running, and it has no belts to increase drag on the motor. Hillbilly has no way of knowing this because he likes to keep me on ignore. The car was just made for local commuting. The Diesel was made for and designed to last on daily long hauls. My fine German-Engineered Diesel was designed to do the long hauls at 55 MPG. It got 55 MPG, but it broke down under heavy commuter use.
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kilowatt2
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 11:19:51 AM

I prefer diesel over gas. There are more btu's in a gallon of diesel than in a gallon of gas. Diesels are more reliable and have a longer life. Diesels run quieter and smoother than they did back in the 80's. People who say no to a diesel have no experience with a diesel automobile.

Look on you tube and you will see many diesels that will blow away a car with a gas engine.

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JohnCur
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 10:31:46 AM

yes
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b899
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 8:36:35 AM

no
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 3:56:06 AM

I believe the fastest Hybrid is a "Euro" (BMW Active Hybrid 7)
0-60 in 4.6 seconds

Then of course there's the Audi 6.0 Quattro V12 TDI
0-60 in 4.2 seconds (top speed of 186MPH)

But I'm sure fuel mileage would suck...(Probably not dead quiet either)
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hoofharted
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 3:37:44 AM

yes
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Foolingurself
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 1:16:29 AM

Yes.
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PhilnTX
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 6:14:27 PM

I'd think about driving a 1/2 ton truck with a small v8 diesel.
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VWDeeZel
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 4:45:24 PM

Les4hdtv: "And you can get a V6 Hybrid (not an electric) that will blow the doors off most euro diesels".

I though we are concerned with fuel economy here, but since you're not, try running your V6 Hybrid against a BMW 335D. Good luck!

If I am worried about blowing the doors off anything, I will hop into my Porsche 911 or onto even my slowest motorcycle. The Porsche even comes with a crow bar so that I can pry a slow Camry out of the air intake scoops. LOL
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 12:02:41 PM

Hillbilly quote: "Your wasting your time trying to reason with "Les4hdtv" There are no good cars other than the ones he owns."

By the way, guys, I never put anyone on ignore because everyone has a valuable opinion.

There are a lot of nice cars out there. I'd consider anything but a diesel and/or a turbo-charger. Gas and Hybrid cars are pretty much drive-train-maintenance free, Quieter, cheaper fuel, no messing with oily fuel, or contaminated fuel. Most people just want to drive the wheels off a car and not have to baby sit the newer diesels.

And you can get a V6 Hybrid (not an electric) that will blow the doors off most euro diesels.
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2015 4:28:31 AM

VWDeeZel Quotes...
Les4hdtv: If you are going to pay 30 grand for a car, why wouldn't you want something that is really quiet?

** Your wasting your time trying trying to reason with "Les4hdtv" There are no good cars other than the ones he owns.

He had some bad experience with a couple cars and now their the Devil.
First was a Diesel Rabbit from the 70s the other was a Buick or something with a turbocharger.

The Rabbit was bought in California (sea level) and driven to Denver (mile high city) and he complained it didn't have any power, was blowing black smoke. It didn't have a turbo either. This car apparently cost him a lot of money... (I wonder why.)
Then there's the case of trying to put Tractor fuel/heating oil (Red Dye) in his car and almost getting arrested. (his comment was a person shouldn't have to read the pump)

After listening to a year of unsubstantiated arguing I finally hit the "Ignore Button". His contribution to GasBuddy has totaled 10,000 points in 15 years with 140 posts most of which has been bagging on diesels and bragging on Toyota Hybrids.

As far as $30,000.00... that's not the "Upper Range" and therefore "Quiet" is not the highest priority. Want quiet ??? Get a Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Lexus, even a Tesla if you like electric. I'm sure Les4HDtv is trying to point out that electric is quiet... too bad you must be creping along around 20MPH and you can't have your A/C on...the rest of the time it sounds like any other car.


[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 1/29/2015 4:29:10 AM EST]
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jimx3
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 9:45:00 PM

In the US nobody likes them. They have a reputation of being noisy and stinky. And diesel fuel costs more than gasoline. They also have a reputation to last a long time - many many miles. But US drivers don't have the patience and discipline to drive to same car or truck for more than ten years.

So they can be purchased cheaply on the used market.

All of my vehicles are diesels.

Jim
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Mikeyy1960
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 6:44:29 PM

wouldn't be cost effective for me till the diesel was getting close to 60 mpgā€¦
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VWDeeZel
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 6:36:29 PM

Les4hdtv: If you are going to pay 30 grand for a car, why wouldn't you want something that is really quiet?

It cost me less than 22 grand fully loaded and it is quiet because I rev at a mere 1700 at 60 MPH. Find me an everyday car that has a 4 cylinder 2.0L manual that revs that low at 60 MPH. There are none because I looked for and tried a few.

Electric doesn't count because I can't drive 600 miles on a single charge.
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 1:08:06 PM

Quiz question for ole hillbilly:
Do you know why the intermediate Camry hybrid from Toyota (MPG and size competition to the intermediate size diesel sedans) has a fake noise maker under the hood that makes a mild humming sound when the car is moving?

Answer: To warn pedestrians that a hybrid is approaching, so they don't walking in front or behind one that is running dead silent.

I test drove a 14 diesel. The noise and vibration in the steering wheel was markedly more noticeable than either my gas or hybrid cars.

If you are going to pay 30 grand for a car, why wouldn't you want something that is really quiet?


[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 1/28/2015 1:11:36 PM EST]
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weddy11
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 9:01:32 AM

no. They are not cost efficent, especially now more than ever a waste of money if you are trying to minimize your transportation costs.
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 4:26:18 AM

VWDeeZel:
Thanks for your reply....
Since you don't have these problems.... and I don't have these problems...
Then one could surmise We've bought the only two that don't have these problems or the problems are from diesels from yesteryear.

I believe a lot of the negativity stems from early diesel/automotive usage. Things have changed through the years. After my first experiences with Automatic transmissions, I wouldn't own one for years. They were slow, expensive to repair, had to change the fluid/Filter, used more fuel, etc.
But given 30 or 40 years to perfect the technology now it's hard to find a Manual.

There's always the if I own one it's the best... if I trade it off then it's crap and whatever I trade for is now the best "Crowd". Anyone that puts down others in order to make their claim, is most likely blowing smoke up "Uranus"

Then of course there's the "I don't know how to work on them" group... those people are in trouble because most of them don't know how to work on the new "computer" cars anyway. (thank god for the internet)

One other thing that comes to mind. I started my TDI in a closed garage on a couple of occasions... No diesel smell. My neighbor started his Harley last week in his garage.... We couldn't get the door open quick enough. We were coughing, our eyes were burning.... smoke and stench everywhere.

Diesel fuel in Gilbert AZ Getting ready to drop under $2.00 per gal.



[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 1/28/2015 4:29:18 AM EST]
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ray44512
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 12:50:12 AM

Maybe someday, but not at these prices.
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LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 12:39:54 AM

I drive one every day. Love my TDI !
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VWDeeZel
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 11:43:04 PM

oldhillbillyAZ:
Have you stood behind your car while it's running and noticed any bad smell or any black smoke? NO

Have you noticed it being difficult to find fuel? NO

You live in Ottawa... does it get cold up there? YUP, it was -1F last night after the car being parked for at least 9 hours. It started as it does in the summer...instantly.

Have you noticed any objectionable difference in starting time. NO and many times I forget to let the glow plugs finish their time cycle...maybe 3 or 4 seconds this time of year.

While getting around 50 MPG are you finding it difficult to pay those exorbitant prices for fuel? NO, I am still far ahead of any efficient gas car in my class and it drives a lot better than my neighbor's Accord.

Yr Make Model ? 2013 TDI

If given the opportunity to trade for an EV or a Hybrid would you ??? NEVER.
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twt
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 6:42:00 AM

No. Never have, never will.
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swordtail51
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 3:47:59 AM

Why do you think the price of diesel has not dropped in-line with the price of gas?
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moxxor54
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2015 1:58:35 AM

Yes trucks. No cars
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 11:26:32 AM

Done that! Dirty oil, ugly smelling fuel oil, expensive repairs (on mine), costly fuel, lower resale value vs. Hybrids (source - Edmonds).
Never going to do that again...
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WEDDY
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 10:47:52 AM

No
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 9:28:22 AM

no
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 3:44:49 AM

VWDeeZel:
Have you stood behind your car while it's running and noticed any bad smell or any black smoke?
Have you noticed it being difficult to find fuel?
You live in Ottawa... does it get cold up there?
Have you noticed any objectionable difference in starting time.
While getting around 50 MPG are you finding it difficult to pay those exorbitant prices for fuel?

Yr Make Model ?

If given the opportunity to trade for an EV or a Hybrid would you ???


[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 1/24/2015 3:45:12 AM EST]
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VWDeeZel
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 12:10:00 AM

I do and I haven't looked back.
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 12:05:28 AM

It's actually somewhat amusing reading all the objections to the newer "clean diesels" when virtually none apply. It's easy to tell the "Knowers" from the "Blowers"

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Mininana
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2015 10:22:03 AM

no... noisy, smelly, slow to start, fuel not readily available, and at an exorbitant price... what's to like? ... I don't even like railroad diesels
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redfish67
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2015 10:12:59 AM

yup
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cv
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2015 6:24:40 AM

Yes, if I owned one.
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Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2015 11:36:28 AM

Trucks yes but cars no! Diesels were not designed with the short start/stop patterns of the typical automobile in mind. Additional scheduled maintenance and higher fuel costs for diesel make the gas Hybrid much more practical than a diesel - Same gas mileage either way.
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Alexi7
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2015 1:57:23 AM

#1 diesel is still about $1 more per gallon here in NW Ohio. Would take forever to recoup the extra cost.
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twt
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 5:41:33 AM

No. They stink.
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oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 2:57:03 AM

dontuknowOH: You would be correct...

Listen to a Ram with a "Cummings Diesel"
Then listen to a Ram with the new "Fiat Diesel"
there's a world of difference.

The under hood noise in my Passat is somewhat reminiscent of my old Chevelle (with "Solid lifters")

They no longer have a "Diesel" smell (the ones that use DEF smell similar to your pool (after it's been driven a while)

And... pulling a 6 degree incline at 2000 RPM...Cruise control on and not having the transmission jumping back and forth between gears...Priceless !!

On a hard acceleration (zero-90) I was informed there was no black smoke (particulates) coming from the exaust.

Averaging 48.x MPG for the last almost 2 years... Unless I have some bad luck with it... It's a keeper.

[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 1/20/2015 2:57:59 AM EST]
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JoeKing
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 2:36:40 AM

yes
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 10:57:07 PM

I do like the torque they develop, modern engines are much cleaner where leaks were an older concern, any noise somewhat depends on engine applications. Cars V/S work trucks are quite different in nature.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2015 8:21:48 PM

No
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2015 11:55:50 AM

certainly,,,
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2015 8:37:50 AM

no
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2015 3:46:57 PM

no
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JohnCur
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2015 3:08:07 PM

Yes..turbo diesaels are very efficient
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2015 12:18:25 PM

Never noticed any cars with diesel noise, but the large engines in trucks do have a rhythm noise, some have loud exhaust if altered. I find only a slight detectable odor only one that can let a person know, usually on hard stomped acceleration.
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dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2015 7:36:51 AM

No reason not to, haven't planned to, would check further if I decided to buy new vehicle, smaller truck/daily driver type.
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2015 6:06:35 AM

possibly
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GLM4205
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2015 5:25:03 AM

Why not?
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2015 4:12:27 AM

yes
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2015 4:08:19 AM

if it were free!
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