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Delboy_Derek
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Message Posted: May 25, 2010 12:05:30 PM

In the U.K. a lot of drivers have moved over to driving diesel engine cars for better economy.
Here is the car I drive in Scotland.

40 + mpg (US gallon size)
Ford Mondeo Estate (Station Wagon)
Engine 1.8 litre TDCI Diesel
0 - 60 > 12 secs
Top speed 125 mph

Location > Hamilton Scotland
Latest gas price today in Hamilton, Scotland = $6.06 / US Gallon size

http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/Mondeo
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Alexi7
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 11:42:16 PM

Maybe a turbo-diesel hybrid with all-wheel drive someday, sort of a road-going version of Audi's R18 Le Mans race car.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 8:57:02 AM

no
twt
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 5:23:01 AM

No, never.
WEDDY
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2015 9:54:18 PM

No
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2015 9:12:41 AM

no
Gabilondo
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2015 9:52:20 AM

I would. I have a diesel truck now.
weddy11
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2015 9:46:52 AM

No
Glasman
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2015 9:28:57 AM

a few years ago I would have said no but now I'm warming up to the idea.
when Jeep comes out with a good looking style with a diesel I might go with it.
justinemt14
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 11:41:25 PM

No.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 8:06:56 AM

no
JoeKing
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 12:14:56 AM

yes
dontuknowOH
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 11:37:34 AM

It would have to be a New one, maybe....!
twt
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 10:21:20 AM

No. They stink.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 8:53:35 AM

no
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 1:52:38 PM

Caution: Old Hillbilly has never drawn an accurate conclusion on me since I've known him. Even a dead clock is right twice a day. The wife loves the Hybrid XLE so much, she wants to keep it. Side looking Radar, Blind spot radar warning, 43 city MPG, the works...
He cant comprehend Hybrid MPG as governed by both driving habits and the computer controlled battery management system that changes MPG based on program schedule. He could not comprehend a simple math equation that I listed. Said it was wrong but would have pointed out the error if he even had a clue what it meant.
He cant comprehend that I can be side by side going up a mountain next to him and his torque means nothing because the 6-speed automatic is computer controlled and it makes no difference that he is luging in 4th and I have to be revved up in third gear, but the horsepower is the same. A V-6 Hybrid would surely out-run him due to battery assisted power.

Note: When stick shift was in vogue, torque was everything to get you rolling in first. Now: performance wise it is next to meaningless to the guy behind the wheel.

oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 4:55:31 AM

sagnat sez...

It seems that is the norm for most of the VW diesels...their real world averages far exceed the EPA guess.

** That's a very difficult thing to get most people to buy, especially anyone that has no experience with the newer diesels. I have a 2013 Passat and just dropped my lifetime average below 48 mpg. On the plus side, I do very little city driving. I drive a lot of rural driving (55-65). On the negative side I don't hypermile or do any of the crazy driving some people do to save fuel.

My lifetime average mileage recently dropped some because I had a trailer hitch installed. I pulled 3/4 ton of trailer/load plus a half ton of passengers/cargo inside the car. It had no problem towing the load (around 500 miles) of cross country terrain, but the mileage "sucked" big time. (around 24.5)

I guess it's still cheaper than owning a pick-up for the few times I need a truck.

BTW take what "Les4hdtv" says about diesels with a grain of salt....
The diesel his knowledge is based on was a 40 year old (approx.) "RABBIT".

He's 100% sold on his 2010 Camry Hybrid....well maybe not 100%... He did buy another newer Camry....it just wasn't a hybrid.
I guess there may be some truth in what I've read...The vast majority of hybrid owners don't go back and buy another one.


[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 3/18/2015 4:55:51 AM EST]
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 11:34:01 AM

Sagnat: Thanks for the info. My VW Diesel got exactly EPA at that time, but this is interesting.

You are aware of how much your MPG can vary based on Driving scenario...

The Hybrid has been calibrated to 1 MPG. Here is what I get in the following scenarios by checking the MPG every few miles:

Miles to work vs. MPG
1 23 MPG
7 35 MPG
10 40 MPG
30 50 MPG

So look how these numbers vary depending just on your miles you drive to work. Then there is traffic and congestion plus how fast you need to get there (Excessive time spent on the gas and brake peddles) to factor in.

EPA has some sort of standard test they do on ALL vehicles in a class. You don't fit into that scenario. I don't quite fit in either.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 6:23:28 AM

no
twt
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 12:51:07 PM

No. Too loud.
Mahalo5
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 12:00:30 PM

I would consider it.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 7:17:39 AM

no
Jackson126
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 6:22:56 AM

yes
hoofharted
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 3:59:42 AM

yes
sagnat
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 7:12:28 PM

Les4HDTV,

you really can't use the EPA guess, especially with the VW diesels. My 2012 Jetta Wagen EPA sticker reflected 42 MPG Highway and something like 36 MPG City with a 39 MPG combined. In real world numbers, hand calculated from fill-ups (not the onboard computer) I have a life time average of 42.05 MPG for my combined driving. My combined average beats the EPA's estimated highway MPG.

It seems that is the norm for most of the VW diesels...their real world averages far exceed the EPA guess.
stoihor
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 6:14:10 PM

yes i would.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 8:55:49 AM

no
mybigtruck
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 1:13:05 AM

i drive a diesel truck everyday
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2015 1:09:09 PM

Just downloaded the Federal Fuel Guide for 2014 and it was interesting to see that the MPG for the most popular mid-size Diesel sedan and mid-size hybrid sedan are:

Passat 30 city 40 Highway 34 ave. Annual fuel cost 1,300.00
Camry 40 city 41 Highway. 40 ave. Annual fuel cost 900.00

We can adjust the Annual down with the lower price of fuel this Winter. What this also shows is that if all you do is drive your diesel on road trips outside of the city, you are as good as the Hybrid, but you still have to pay more for your diesel fuel.
Also not seen in the guide results is the fact that Hybrids do not do “as well” in hot Arizona climates, according to HillBillyAz. I disagree with him because the Hybrid loves hot weather. MPG goes up the warmer it gets and using AC does bring it back down but it pans out. On the other hand, MPG goes way down in cold weather. The battery gets lazy, So if you live in a moderate climate like I do, I get about 43 ave. vs. 40. If you live up north in the perma-frost, you may be well under the EPA number.

Summary: I believe the numbers EPA is putting out are accurate for comparison purposes, based on my data collection for the Hybrid.

[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 3/13/2015 1:10:18 PM EST]
WEDDY
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 9:44:33 AM

No
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 12:12:36 PM

According to AlabamaGasPrices today, there are 60 stations reported for Diesel prices and double that number for gas. Both the average and median price of Diesel is 3 dollars.
The median price for gas is 2.16 and the average is 2.29.
That pans out to about 80 cent more a gallon. So lower gas prices have really put the screws to the spread between the two fuels.
A Hybrid intermediate getting 40 MPG average as advertised against a diesel automobile getting 50 MPG as advertised - the Diesel would need to get 50 MPG to be compatible on cents per mile.

So yes, the diesel is still in the mix for most efficient car technology. Now if they can just get the cost of maintaining a diesel down to the same cost of keeping the naturally aspirated, Variable Valve Timing ignition engines on the road with which they compete. There is no way they will ever compete with non-diesel engines for the lowest sound and vibration levels due to the very high compression ratios required in the diesel cylinder.
It would take a flywheel the size of the engine to do that and that may not be economical.

[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 3/11/2015 12:14:54 PM EST]
Mininana
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 11:28:58 AM

not unless I was working for the railroad...
drmiller0711
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 9:27:02 AM

Yes if I find one I like
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 7:51:31 AM

no
GasMiser718
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2015 5:44:31 PM

No.
silvereb
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2015 6:01:00 AM

I drive a diesel pickup truck.
8_Ball2014
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2015 1:54:59 AM

yes
oldhillbillyAZ
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2015 4:02:27 PM

drgeeforce sez...
My Mercedes SUV wuz assembled in Vance, Alabama, so sez my car sticker.

** I would agree... The VIN number tells all on that subject.
My Vin:
first digit "1" (Made in the US)
Second digit "V" (Volkswagen)
third digit "W" (passenger car)
Blah
Blah
Blah
11th. digit "C" (Chattanooga)

I do however believe the top of the line Mercedes are "NOT" made in the US
just as top of the line Toyotas (Lexus) are "NOT" made in the US.

But then where are top of the line Cadillac's and Lincoln's made ???

Then you have Ford and Toyota fighting for bragging rights as to which has the most American parts. I would have a major decision on my hands if I had to decide on buying a Camry or a Ford F150 just because one had 1% more American parts on it.

BTW.... 30+ years ago I worked for a company that did business with another company in Burnaby, B.C.. That company was bringing auto parts in from China and exporting them to the US as Canadian parts.
So you are correct on that also.....


[Edited by: oldhillbillyAZ at 3/7/2015 4:04:25 PM EST]
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2015 2:19:45 PM

Drgeeforc: Both of the cars I owns have consistently hit number one as the most American made, often trading 1st place with the Ford F-150.

The same kind of Government regulation in the petroleum industry caused massive gas lines back in the late 70s or early 80s due to regulation of prices.

Gas lines got pretty ugly back then. I lived in L.A./Van Nuys during the first big gas crisis in the 70s and it was not pretty - pseudo anarchy?
drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2015 1:04:58 PM

oldhillbillyAZ, most "American" cars have most of their parts made in Mexico or the Far East. Most of the sheet metal is made in China and imported via Canada. GM has most of their parts made in Indonesia and shipped to the factories from Brazil. My Mercedes SUV wuz assembled in Vance, Alabama, so sez my car sticker.
reni194611
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 6:49:08 PM

in Germany I would
drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 3:04:40 PM

"benefit one segment of the population"... Non-gasoline oil distillate consumption is the most widely consumed fuel in the US and the world. This includes: Transport Diesel, Jet fuel A/B, bunker fuels, heating oil/kerosene, and agriculture vehicles, with coal is the most consumed fuel in the world.

I wouldn't call diesel users one segment of the population. Besides, a good capitalist economy cannot exist without some government intervention, otherwise you have anarchy.
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 12:14:48 PM

Quote: If I can better my country in keeping the economy moving with low fuel prices, I would try to help. You can drive your Prius and I can drive both by Diesel Mercedes and my Honda Hybrid.

Totally agree with that. Just surprised that an American capitalist would almost like to see free market capitalism limited by more oil regulation just to benefit one segment of the driving population.

Also note that the average price for diesel in Huntsville is half a dollar a gal more for diesel than gas. That takes an ugly whack out of the higher MPG.

Not my intention to tell you what to drive, but rather point out that the popularity of Diesel, if you could call it that, does contribute to raising the price of the fuel both here and in the world market, mosquitoes or no mosquitoes.

I don't own a Prius but rather the bigger quieter extended range Camry Hybrid - 700 mile range typical for my driving style and less if you are a speeder. Prius has only an 11 gal tank.



[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 3/6/2015 12:20:08 PM EST]
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yes
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no
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possibly
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i do vw golf don't smell
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Ever is a long time
I'm waiting for hydrogen
drgeeforce
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 11:55:46 AM

@Les4HDTV, No really. I believe in Capitalism. I'm with Milton Friedman all the way, but the stark reality is I'm also an American who lives in America. If I can better my country in keeping the economy moving with low fuel prices, I would try to help. You can drive your Prius and I can drive both by Diesel Mercedes and my Honda Hybrid. It's America and I can drive whatever I want and I won't tell others what to do.
b899
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 8:13:08 AM

no
badbobKY
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 4:03:13 AM

yes
Les4hdtv
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 5:51:19 PM

"Capitalism's ugly cousin sells our cheap fuel abroad."
Are you serious, Degree-Force? Let me get this straight. You are obviously not a Capitalist. So I make a new law that says you can't sell your nice used car outside of your own neighborhood. So now you find fewer buyers and you will no longer get a fair price for your car. Or you have to trade it to one particular used car dealer. I am so sure that when you do trade or sell your fine automobile, you ask the absolutely lowest Black Book price that you can possible afford so as not to be seen buy your customer as a greedy Capitalist. I am impressed with your notion of "Capitalists". Never saw anyone try to sell me a car that didn't act like a capitalist. So if you are not a capitalist, call me when you need to sell your car. I love cheap gas and cheap used cars...

Finally: No on Diesel cars - No to expensive euro technology, fuel too expensive, expensive to maintain vs. gas, and too low in resale value compared even to Hybrids, per Edmonds.com.

[Edited by: Les4hdtv at 3/4/2015 5:53:03 PM EST]
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